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You're not as hot as you think you are

28 Aug 2007 05:22 pm

A late night conversation last night brought me to the inescapable conclusion that neither I, nor anyone else, is as hot as they think they are.

You hate photographs of yourself, don't you? A tiny minority of people are terribly photogenic (I recall one girl in high school who was maybe a 7 in person, but a 9.75 in an 8X10 glossy) and like having their pictures taken; everyone else in the world is convinced that they don't photograph particularly well.

A cognitive scientist at the University of Chicago explained why to me last winter. When we look at ourselves in the mirror, in any given session we tend to anchor on the time slice image that makes us look our best. That, we decide, is the "real" us.

Photographs, however, are a random sample of the various arrangements of light, angle, and facial expression that we can be found in. The median photograph of you is probably the best approximation of your physical attractiveness. But that wars with your self image, which is anchored on other, better combinations.

You're also biased by the fact that no one ever tells you you're ugly. It's not merely that people inflate what they tell you (they almost certainly do); it's also that people who think you're ugly tend to drop out of the sample. They may not cultivate an acquaintance with you, and those that do will probably not spontaneously let you know that they find you kind of repulsive.

You're stuck in a web of congitive biases and a positive feedback loop. It's a wonder anyone does get married.

Which, by the way, is probably the best gauge of how attractive you are; how attractive are the hottest people who want to go out with you? They're probably only slightly more attractive than you are.

If you're married, of course, this is not useful. But there's always the old standby. Just make sure to upload a median picture.

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Only if you assume that photographic attractiveness is the same as physical attractiveness i.e. there is no 'special' quality that being in someone's presence creates.

My wife doesn't photograph that well (mainly because she looks dorky but still beautiful) but being in her presence is something else altogether.

I think photographs are an incomplete gauge of attractiveness although the best one we have barring meeting every person in the world face to face.

God, I hate pictures of myself. It's literally like 1,000 to one, the ones I like compared to the ones I don't.

(Apparently, I'm a five.)

if you upload your median photograph to "hotornot" you are probably going to bias your ranking downwards relative to your real ranking, since other people are presumably sending in their best picture (the one they think is the "real"). The people doing the ranking are then judging you relative to everyone's else "best" self.

Or maybe a 9.4? I don't get how the site works.

You neglected to mention one thing, due to evolutionary biology, physical attractiveness is one thing for men, and quite another for women.

As it is said in Hungarian, "férfi elég ha csak egy fokkal szebb az ördögnél" --- translates something like: It is enough for a man to be a degree better looking than the devil.

Quibble. Photographs have the problem of being still over time. Blemishes and imperfections will resonate less as one has a higher rate of movement, even at low rates of movements. Thus, photographs tend to increase the magnitude of appearance that blemishes and imperfections have (unless, of course, the photo is touched up).

Someone with more technological savy will point out other flaws between comparing at 1 to 1 ratio the image-creating device of a human eye relative of that to a digital camera.

"I recall one girl in high school who was maybe a 7 in person, but a 9.75 in an 8X10 glossy"

This is essentially the entire "senior picture" industry in a sentence.

In one of my college psychology classes, our professor taught us another reason for this: we're used to seeing mirror images of ourselves, with our actual left sides appearing on the right and vice versa. When we look at photos, instead of seeing the flipped version of ourselves we're used to, we instead see a foreign-seeming straight on version.

We learned about a study where researchers showed people photos of themselves and of people they knew, in both a correct version and a version flipped to create a mirror image. For themselves, they preferred the mirror images, but for other people they preferred the straight-on images. In each case, they preferred the type of image they were used to seeing.

A tiny minority of people are terribly photogenic (I recall one girl in high school who was maybe a 7 in person, but a 9.75 in an 8X10 glossy)

Never tried any online dating sites, have you? :P

What reason is there to believe that the people who look at you don't see the same thing you see when you look in the mirror. Everyone's eyes move about, glancing over some things, resting on others. Is there any reason to believe other people don't anchor on to the things that, in their eyes, make you look your best? After all, nice things are nicer than nasty ones.

Since the time after I was five years old, I have had exactly one photo of myself that I think caught me at my best (not that that was particularly good by common measures, but good for me)- my first passport photo. It pisses me off that I had to renew it.

you didn't say what kind of hotness we are talking about. as you pointed out 7 vs. 9.75 is in a photograph... Cameras don't see at all the way the human eye does, and most of what people see in pictures are essentially snapshot not taken by a professional. The reason that does matter is that a camera accentuates some things that can be good or bad depending on the person. Knowing how to manipulate the camera to make a goot shot, is entirely knowledge and experience most people never have. This is why you see a lot of images shot 12" away and with a wide angle lens. By nature that combo makes the face puff out and the nose look 3 miles long. It is distorted. Place that on top of the fact that what you see is entirely a synthesis in the brain, and it is no wonder people's POV on themselves is messed up. What people see in others, equally so.

This probably doesn't matter when you are at the 10 end of the scale anyway. But the difference between somone you want to dance with forever, with a crooked smile, and a pixie ear, and someone who never smiles and has messy hair covering her eyes, and ears... is in the way you as an external observer see her.

Who and what we are is in essense a guess, and even the photograph lies, because it didn't see what was truly alive, and cut only 1/250 of a second of time...

This is why a photographer tries to make the image live by watching the subject for a long time. It is still an interpretation, still just what the photographer sees, but if there is dedication, the image lives. This is why I have sneaked up on my subjects in the past, rather than allowing them to pose... It makes the image live, when it shows them unguarded and alive...

No, Megan, the simplest test is how much you worry about it. If you're writing long blogposts on how you can tell whether you're hot, well, dear, you're not.

But Dr Z, you're not taking personality into consideration. I know a 9 who thinks she's a 6 and a 4 who thinks she's a 10 (yechhh).

I have a mother who is brutally honest with me - she tells me straight when I look disproportionate (kindest word I think!). Physically attractive people know how to highlight their natural assets and conceal their flaws - it's not rocket science.

I think it makes sense to measure oneself against one's best possible self and not worry about relative hotness to preserve sanity and bolster self-confidence. The other thing is expectations -if we're evaluating someone as a model or a partner then yes hotness matters otherwise it's just gravy :-)

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Aw man. And I was sticking up for you too.

Sorry . . . the rule is no troll gets to live on through his responders . . .

Given the way the brain works, the vast majority of us only really recognize one half of the face. (the right hemisphere handles facial recognition)

This means that the face you see in the mirror is just different enough from the one you see in photographs that is causes a bit of cognitive dissonance, unless you happen to be in the minority with a perfectly symmetrical face.

"You're also biased by the fact that no one ever tells you you're ugly"

Not only have I been called ugly, but people have also accused my mother of dressing me funny.

Another reason you look worse in a photograph is that it doesn't really look like you. It is a 2D representation. It is how you look to someone with one eye. This tends to make you look flatter and fatter. Hence, "the camera adds twenty pounds." Unfortunately, several people seem to be taking my picture at all times.

"Is there any reason to believe other people don't anchor on to the things that, in their eyes, make you look your best? After all, nice things are nicer than nasty ones."

I don't know. If I'm talking to someone with a big hairy mole, it takes a real effort not to stare at that sucker.

I think part of the dissonance for me is that I'm used to only seeing myself straight on. It's only in profile that the length of my nose really becomes apparent.

Aw drat. I was hoping it was the handsome guy in the mirror other people were seeing, not that ugly dork in the photos.

I learned in junior high that everyone is actually hideous, but we all pretend not to notice to simply get through the day. If we all actually knew how unattractive we are, no one would leave the house in the morning.

I also apply that rule of thumb to dancing in public. Yeah, I look retarded, but so does everyone else. As long as I don't carry the delusion as far as the vast majority of reality TV auditioners I'll be fine.

Well I am not sure about the marriage implications of this discussion. I myself having celebrated my 30th anniversary some days ago, wrote my wife a song for the occasion and where I posed the question of “How has someone so unforgivable pretty as you, managed for thirty years to stand someone somewhat forgivable ugly as me”… and it worked great!

freddie-

God, I hate pictures of myself. It's literally like 1,000 to one, the ones I like compared to the ones I don't.

(Apparently, I'm a five.)

I think that was the test for Mensa... :o)

in reality, you would be far better off going with your mirror image than going by your pics. as one poster said, its a 2d image of yourself. from a professional photographers experience, you must keep in mind the polarizing effect that occurs when pics are snapped freezing your real life 3 dimensional image into a 2d flat image..the results can be drastic, and to some, they may be unrecognizable in person.(also, lighting and flashes can take a toll on skin color and other characteristics). professional modeling agencies dont necessarily look for striking people, but rather people that will photograph well which professionals can tell by looking at them. no offense but you sound like someone who looks better in 2d. and also, that "scientist" you talked to sounds like a moron if thats what he said to you, he has it completely ass backwards. a mirror image is far more accurate than a picture due to the simple fact that you are looking at yourself in THE SAME DIMENSION as everyone else sees you in person, versus your so called "median picture image" which no one sees when they look at you.. unless of course you look like a flat cardboard picture when you walk.

in reality, you would be far better off going with your mirror image than going by your pics. as one poster said, its a 2d image of yourself. from a professional photographers experience, you must keep in mind the polarizing effect that occurs when pics are snapped freezing your real life 3 dimensional image into a 2d flat image..the results can be drastic, and to some, they may be unrecognizable in person.(also, lighting and flashes can take a toll on skin color and other characteristics). professional modeling agencies dont necessarily look for striking people, but rather people that will photograph well which professionals can tell by looking at them. no offense but you sound like someone who looks better in 2d. and also, that "scientist" you talked to sounds like a moron if thats what he said to you, he has it completely ass backwards. a mirror image is far more accurate than a picture due to the simple fact that you are looking at yourself in THE SAME DIMENSION as everyone else sees you in person, versus your so called "median picture image" which no one sees when they look at you.. unless of course you look like a flat cardboard picture when you walk.

please excuse the double post, it appeared as if it did not except first one.

I don't like pictures of my face, but pictures of my penis looks phenomenal.

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My concern isn't so much the 'pose' of smiling or showing my good side in photos compared to a mirror. It's the photos of me in motion I can't stand. Most times when we look in the mirror, we have no expression and we maybe only see our face at three angles. Its the pictures where I'm blinking, eating, in mid-sentence, or have my head turned that are actually way beyond unflattering. I tend to see these as candid real situation photos and this is how I typically appear to others. Seeing myself on video yields the same opinion. The way I blink my eyes and move my mouth is just not attractive. Its when I'm completely still that makes me cute.