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Is academia serious about diversity?

12 Oct 2007 09:50 am

. . . asks Greg Mankiw. It's hard to come to the conclusion that the answer is "Yes". Faced with overwhelming evidence that there is a massive, massive underrepresentation of conservatives at the elite level, almost none of them even considers, in passing, that there might be some sort of structural problem. No, clearly the reason that conservatives don't make it into the academy is that . . . they're inferior.

It's not as if we're talking about a severe shortage of fly-fishers either. One would think that a committment to diversity would start with a committment to diversity of thought. But then, having thoughts that disagree with the thoughts that academics have probably means there's something wrong with you, doesn't it?

Don't get me wrong: I don't think there's any sort of conspiracy against conservatives in the academy. I think, rather, that a combination of more subtle factors erects a wall that it's harder for conservatives to climb over. Unless they are really, really brilliant, academics, like everyone else, need personal connections to help them up the academic ladder, from recommendations to mentors to advisors. Those personal connections are always much easier to make with people you agree with. Nor would I discount the possibility that, just as women's work can be subtly dismissed because we know women aren't as bright as men, academics who think that conservatives are stupid would factor that into their assessment of someone's intelligence--and then factor that assessment into their assessment of someone's work. And of course, one's ideas are to some extent socially constructed; simply by virtue of the arguments and information we hear, even if there is no social pressure to conform, being surrounded by a political culture will tend to drag our ideas in their direction.

And the idea that academia exerts no pressures to conform is spectacularly hilarious to anyone who's ever spent any time at all around academics. Perhaps the funniest sight I have ever witnessed is the spectacle of a sociologist cruising straight past the analyses of power relationships and group norms that they apply to every single other facet of human existence, and insisting that the underrepresentation of conservatives in academic could only be explained by the fact that conservatives are a bunch of money-grubbing intellectual lightweights who can't stand rigorous examinations of their ideas, and moreover are too intolerant to fit into the academic community.

The sociologist, you see, is inside academia, and so able to analyze it better than outsiders. Also, the sociologist knows that neither they, nor any of their friends, is biased, so the answer must be that there's something wrong with conservatives.

It's odd, given this lack of bias, that one repeatedly hears from untenured academics who are in the closet. "Passing" is not usually a behavior one finds in a community where there is no prejudice.

Now, I think that affirmative action for conservatives would be an even worse idea than regular affirmative action; conservative intellectual life doesn't need to get any flabbier than it already is. But the Larry Summers speech should certainly give one pause. That it seems to have made so little impression on liberal academics should make the rest of us very worried indeed.

Comments (133)

I very much hope that academia is serious about diveristy.

Perhaps one source of the perceived lack of "conservatives" in the upper echelons of academia is that they migrate to more lucrative positions at The Heritage Foundation, where they can think their deep thoughts without having to deal with troubling young liberal whippersnappers.

"spectacle of a sociologist cruising straight past the analyses of power relationships and group norms that they apply to every single other facet of human existence, and insisting that the underrepresentation of conservatives in academic could only be explained by the fact that conservatives are a bunch of money-grubbing intellectual lightweights"

Post-modernist Academics aren't so much opposed to the abuse of power as much as they are opposed to the abuse of power by people who don't agree with their political views.

Not just a massive underrepresentation but a "massive, massive underrepresentation." Wow, sounds serious. Any source for this? And, no, Instarube doesn't count.

Nice analysis. Perhaps we could apply this to other areas suffering from "under-representation". African Americans in the medical and legal professions, perhaps? Or would that be a function of their lack of intellectual fitness? The truth is, as you point out, social networks are the primary determinant of success in academia and society at large. I applaud your, intellectually necessary, future support of affirmative action.

Are conservatives really so absent in academia as a whole, or is it more that they're absent in the humanities? And isn't this largely explained by the fact that conservative attitudes tend to push one into fields of inquiry that are different from where liberals go? When I was doing Russian Studies, there were almost no conservatives working on the topics I was working on, but that's because the conservatives headed towards military history, diplomacy, and a Kremlinological approach to political science. Plenty wound up making their careers in Russian area studies, but not in Russian literature or social history.

That said, I actually agree that the lack of representation of conservatives in the humanities has been bad for the academy, not to mention bad for the liberals in it. It's created a climate where there is little restraint against idiotic lefter-than-thou mau-mauing on the identity-politics side of the field.

However, conservatives who are in the humanities seem determined to shoot themselves spectacularly in the face much of the time. Harvey Mansfield's book wasn't idiotic because it was conservative; it was just idiotic. If promoting academic "diversity" means opening up the faculty to more white men who like to boast of their own manliness, then the issue isn't likely to leap to the top of the agenda.

charles and liberalrob,

There are numerous sources, including the new Gross and Simmons paper that was just unveiled at a conference in its honor at Harvard sociology. Conservatives are a tiny minority (about 5%) in social science departments at good schools. And the issue is not (or at least not entirely) that they are drawn off to think tanks or are more interested in business since as you go down the prestige ladder towards community colleges the numbers of conservatives increases dramatically. I suggest that you read the study before commenting further.

I'm an untenured professor of sociology at a good department and I agree with every word that Megan wrote.

Since I'm usually a huge critic, let me concede this is the best argument in favor of the idea of anti-conservative discrimination in academia I've read.

Never mind. Followed the links.

Certainly is an underrepresentation, but "massive, massive" is still silly, at least in wording.

Plus I think there are all kinds of practical reasons for this. As a commenter on Mankiw's blog notes, I think it is largely self-selection. The conservative friends and colleagues I know who are qualified for university teaching have, to a person, decided to work in industry and make more money. This is especially true in law. They make a lot of money in practice.

brooksfoe,

there are basically no academic fields in which conservatives outnumber liberals, though they do have respectable numbers in economics, the hard sciences, and many professional schools. so basically you have some fields where conservatives basically don't exist, others where they are more or less at parity, and none at all where they dominate. this is not consistent with your idea that they get siphoned off from one department to another.

(fwiw, i agree with your assessment of "manliness")

Untenured,

I don't understand your point about "moving down the prestige ladder." To me, that proves my point--more talented conservatives with teaching credentials don't enter the teaching ranks.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but the more you move down the prestige ladder, the less qualified the teachers become, no? The people I am thinking about went to top-tier undergrad and grad schools and went into industry instead of teach. Had teaching been attractive to them, there would be more conservatives in academia, no?

Perhaps academia tends to be sclerotic and somewhat reactionary (I don't think the terms "liberal" or "conservative" are very useful anymore) because there is comparatively little dynamism in academia compared to, say, the profit-seeking sector of our society. Compare the companies that comprise the DJIA from 50 years ago and today, against the top 30 highly respected universities of 50 years ago to today.

Sure, changes do occur within these universities, just as they do in the companies that manage to remain prominent enough to be on the Dow for 50 years. I'm sure there are some schools which have changed as dramatically as, say, IBM. However, without any waves of destruction completely obliterating some existing institutions, allowing human talent to be completely scattered and reordered, a tendency towards stasis and reactionary thinking inevitably grows.

Of course, Megan isn't arguing for affirmative action for conservatives- only pointing out the intellectual dishonesty of using intellectual diversity as a rationale for affirmative action. Mankiw's point in the article (and Summers' as well) isn't that conservatives should be demanding affirmative action (quite the opposite in fact); it's that liberal academics should, on principle, be demanding affirmative action for conservatives.

As for conservative think-tanks, there are, relatively speaking, not many academics in that field (ie, there are a lot more colleges than think tanks). Remember, the think-tanks emerged precisely because conservatives lacked a voice in academia, not the other way around.

Finally, the "massive, massive" underrepresentation is confirmed by a recent study that has been making the rounds of late. The study purports to claim that the underrepresentation is bad, but not as bad as people think. The thing is that the study ignores the fact that the numbers are most skewed in the social sciences and humanities, being the two arenas where political viewpoints are most relevant. In those areas, self-described conservatives make up less than 5% of academia. In the hard sciences, conservatives still only make up 8%. Only in the health sciences and business are they represented equally to self-described liberals. In no field is there a significant balance in favor of conservatives.

charles,

i can understand why you might expect conservatives to go into business, but i don't quite see why you would expect talented conservatives to go into business and mediocre ones to go into academia. (with the opposite pattern holding for left of center ones). it seems like, to a first approximation, the career choice effects of ideology and talent should be basically additive, not subject to complex interaction effects.

i will readily concede that the prestige ladder effect is consistent with conservatives being less talented than liberals, but you could make the same argument about finding similar disparities for women or blacks. i think this was the basic point megan was trying to make, that there is an inconsistency (on the part of both david horowitz and your typical liberal academic) of using structure and discrimination to explain the failure of groups for whom one has sympathy and micro inferiority to explain the failure of groups for whom one has indifference or hostility.

I'm an untenured professor of sociology at a good department and I agree with every word that Megan wrote.

Including "diveristy?"

Hey, I'm a bored web programmer at a small security company and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. If you agree with every word that Megan wrote, her apparent thesis is that "conservatives" can't get ahead in academia because the old-boy network at the top is a liberal cabal that won't let them into their clubhouse. Therefore, if you're a "conservative" yourself you'd best start sending resumes to AEI because you're not going to get very far in your good department.

Is Megan wrong? Not necessarily. All groups of long familiarity and similar inclinations tend to throw up barriers to outsiders becoming members; I imagine the representation of liberal scholars at Heritage and AEI is similarly lacking. And yes, I know those are not educational institutions but my point is the phenomenon of clubbiness exists on both sides of the aisle; a conservative-dominated group is going to be just as resistant to penetration by liberals as a liberal one is to conservatives. At least at an academic institute you have the potential of being recognized on scholarly merit; at an explicitly partisan organization like AEI it doesn't matter how thorough your liberal scholarship is, you ain't gettin' in.

Untenured sociologist:

We're going to have to go so far into definitions here that a useful discussion is unlikely without further research. What do we mean by "conservative" and "liberal"? I would be surprised if there were a single tenured Marxist economist (as opposed to economic historian) in the United States; there are plenty of tenured Objectivists. As for the hard sciences, do you actually have data showing a significant bias towards liberals? And what possible mechanism could be responsible for such a bias? The first one that leaps to mind for me is the solidification of an anti-science, anti-reason platform in the GOP over the past 20 years. This would at least explain a pattern of Democratic voting -- even among scientists (biologists, say) whose other political convictions are broadly "conservative".

It's interesting to think, for example, about whether you consider E.O. Wilson "liberal" or "conservative". In the 1980s the answer would have been unambiguously conservative, due to the implications then attached to sociobiology. Today, because of his announced social positions (particularly those on the innateness of homosexuality) and because the GOP has finally embraced anti-Darwinism, he falls on the liberal side of the spectrum. So it's very important to think about the extent to which the academy has become more liberal, versus the extent to which conservatism has become anti-intellectual.

Untenured and Mark:

Here's a piece of research someone could do. Are conservatives inherently more interested in their own economic advancement than liberals? My gut says yes, but that is not worth much. Teaching is hard work, and doesn't pay a lot. For instance, a tenured law professor at Harvard can make, what, 200K a year? A first year associate at a major firm is up to 135K as of last year, according to a NYT article (and that seems low to me). Project that associate out 10 years, and a high percentage of those associates are making a million.

Then you have fields like pharma and biotech, high tech, investment banking, private equity. The smartest, most ambitious people can make insane amounts of money. I know a bio ph.d. who just cashed out of a company for $40 million, and he is 33 years old. I know a chemistry ph.d. who invented a process and sold the intellectual property for $3 million and he is in his 20s.

If I were conservative, I would take the line that we are simply too smart to waste our time teaching.

So for those who think conservatives migrate to business rather than academia, is this a case of "those who can do, those who can't teach"?

Mark,

Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If we are to accept that institutions use social networks to perpetuate unintended patterns of discrimination, which is the primary point of the piece, then a necessary extension is that similar patterns may exist in similar institutions. Large law firms (via internships) and medical teaching hospitals (via residency and fellowship) act as filters for determining success in the legal and medical communities. Even absent specific policies and procedures that direct discrimination, social network effects can, as Megan points out, produce the effect of selection bias toward those who think (or look) the same as the selectors. Ergo affirmative action as a necessary tool for overcoming these subtle biases.

i don't quite see why you would expect talented conservatives to go into business and mediocre ones to go into academia.

Money makes the world go around, the world go around, the world go around
Money makes the world go around, that clinking clanking sound!

Money
It's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stack
Money
It's a hit
Don't give me that do-goody-good bulls--t

And if you ask for a free ride it's no surprise that they're giving none away...

Well, liberalrob, it is also important to note that while the University of Michigan or the University of California at Berkely receive tax revenues, I don't think that is the case with AEI.

I don't know; isn't it possible we're getting it all backwards?

We see that college professors tend to skew to the left. We see that college students also tend to skew to the left. We say "Aha! These liberal professors must be enlightening the students/shoving this crap down their throats" (depending on who you talk to).

Could it just be that college students naturally tend to be more liberal (due to age, idealism, high levels of THC, etc), and that professors simply pick up the political leanings of the students they spend the whole day with?

There are "massive, massive" shortages of "liberals" among prison guards and "coercive interrogators," too, and that's no surprise.

A serious question for untenured professor:
What role does the process of obtaining a Ph.D. play in discouraging (or actively preventing) conservatives, particularly in the social sciences/humanities, from joining the academic realm? My understanding has been that one's ability to successfully defend their doctoral dissertation is highly dependent on whether or not your panel agrees with you (and you don't get to choose your panel).

charles,

interesting idea, but the problem with that is that conservative academics are most common in the fields where there is the greatest opportunity cost of remaining in academia. frankly, a PhD in cultural anthropology or French literature can make more money in academia than the private sector. this sociologist is probably making about 10% more in academia than i could in, say, a private-sector market research job. so given the field specific opportunity costs you would expect academia to especially retain its greedy conservatives in the humanities and social sciences. on the other hand, there is a huge private sector market for PhDs in management science, economics, chemistry, and engineering, yet these are the fields where you see respectable numbers of conservative academics. the only way to salvage your argument is if conservatives don't go to humanities and social science grad school in the first place. i think there's probably something to it, but i think the ratios are just too big to entirely be explained by it.

My gut says yes, but that is not worth much.

Hey, if it's good enough for Stephen Colbert, it's good enough for you and me!

My gut agrees with your gut. My gut also tells me that "conservatives" generally espouse more esoteric and inherently unprovable or scientifically unsupportable positions such as Intelligent Design Creationism or the nonexistence of Global Warming, and therefore are less likely to be able to advance in academia based on scholarly merit. Reality has a well-known liberal bias, as the saying goes.

Well, liberalrob, it is also important to note that while the University of Michigan or the University of California at Berkely receive tax revenues, I don't think that is the case with AEI.

As observant as ever, Will.

Quoting myself:

"And yes, I know those are not educational institutions but my point is the phenomenon of clubbiness exists on both sides of the aisle..."

and that professors simply pick up the political leanings of the students they spend the whole day with?

"Spend the whole day with," Bergamot? You must have gone to a REALLY good college!

Anyway, I know I'm being irrational here, but I just don't accept that only 8% of academics in the hard sciences are conservatives. Unless the distribution is something like 8% conservative, 72% no preference, 20% liberal. And I'd like to see that compared to a similarly worded survey of people of similar educational level in the population at large.

brooksfoe,
the Gross and Simmons paper addresses basically all of the methodological objections in your 11:18AM post.

mark,
i really don't know how the committee plays a role in the leaky pipe. in all of the departments with which i'm familiar, the student gets to choose his/her own committee. generally, this should let a student avoid a committee that is actively hostile (i.e., you can often find people who disagree with you but are open-minded). this sort of thing is more of an issue with peer review, where people (probably without realizing it) will demand unimpeachable evidence for ideas they disagree with but have lax standards for ideas they agree with.

everyone,
i'm hoping to eventually become "tenured professor" so i don't have any more time to actively participate in this thread.

Could it just be that college students naturally tend to be more liberal (due to age, idealism, high levels of THC, etc), and that professors simply pick up the political leanings of the students they spend the whole day with?

Or could it be that some of those pot-smoking hippie kids one day found themselves college professors, regardless of what the previous professors thought or taught them.

liberalrob: Academia is full of liberals who espouse inherently unprovable or scientifically unsupportable positions such as deconstructionism, Marxism, and the belief that men and women have identical distributions of talent (or that it's just plain wrong to talk about the differences, but OK to then assume that all differences in position and income are due to discrimination rather than to different talents).

Charles:
Fair question. I'll admit certainly that a portion of the pro-liberal bias of educational institutions is partially attributable to self-selection- but I don't think it's a money issue. Instead, I think it's a matter of concern about "changing the world"; Progressives by definition want to change the world; conservatives by definition don't (for the moment, we are not considering theocons in this definition). As a result, Progressives are more likely than conservatives to pursue careers where they think they can have the greatest impact on society: journalist, author, lawyer, activist, professor. Theocons who want to change the world will most likely seek to do so through traditional evangelicizing (so they won't be as likely to enter academia).

Your example about law firms actually makes this point pretty well- lawyers (and law students) are as a group quite Progressive; even the conservative lawyers are more likely to have libertarian leanings (hence the popularity of the law and economics movement). I also happen to think that the reason lawyers are one of the most depressed professions is that, because many became lawyers to push for social change, they become depressed when they realize the law is not necessarily a force for good.

All that said, I think self-selection only accounts for a portion of the imbalance (the imbalance amongst law students, I've found, is probably about 3 or 4 to 1, which is a far cry from 11 or 13 to 1).

Brooksfoe: The survey that's in the news now is deeply flawed because it doesn't define "liberal", "moderate", or "conservative", but depends on the respondants self-evaluation - and liberals who live in a liberal echo chamber often think they are "moderate". Earlier surveys have evaluated how professors vote - and that's been consistently 80% Democrat for a couple of decades. Folks, that's overwhelmingly liberal...

Untenured,

You make good points. My information is all anecdotal anyway, so all just gut sense as I mentioned. Plus I disprove my own theory. I am liberal, and abandoned academia 30 or so credits beyond my MA in English to make money.

Well money, plus I hated teaching undergrads. You would have to pay me a fortune to do that.

Mark,

Agreed, self-selection is likely not enough of a reason for the imbalance.

This looks like a ripe area for research.

As one of those conservative academics, (but not one who has witnessed discrimination) what is left out from the standard argument is how difficult it can be emotionally for a conservative in the academy. Every informal discussion you have about policy is 100 to one (and the 100 full of rather shrill opinions). I find it exhausting and frequently unpleasant. You find yourself avoiding significant social contact to avoid the same old fights over and over again. (No one likes to be bullied.) I can't even fathom being an outed conservative in a sociology department, it must be so unpleasant for them to go to work every day. I assume this is why there are so few conservatives in the academy.

That said, I have been lucky to work in environments where cordial disagreement is the norm as is genuine intellectual curiosity into conservative ideas. It is hard to keep your political views to yourself when you are an academic and I am glad that I don't have to do so.

Yes, liberalrob, your ever-observant self has somehow equated "educational institution" with "recipient of tax revenues". Yes, there are a few educational institutions which do not receive tax revenues, and still more for whom tax revenues comprise a minor percentage of total revenues. The point is that clubbiness is far more tolerable when no person is being compelled by law to fund the institution, or the legally compelled funding comprises a very minor amount of the total revenues. When someone is compelled by law to fund an institution, they have the perfectly legitimate right to demand that the clubbiness be curtailed.

How about a non-partisan solution? End all federal grant funding for the humanities and the social sciences (including econ). You can argue about the natural sciences and whether externalities in physics or medicine can justify the funding. But I think that, given the difficulty of finding objective measures of quality in hum/ss, and the importance of informational cascades and political fads, that it's simpler to let these fields sink or swim on their own. Won't make conservative sociologists' lives any easier, but your average Republican taxpayer won't have to pay for political indoctrination either.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure what academics think of this idea...

My gut also tells me that "conservatives" generally espouse more esoteric and inherently unprovable or scientifically unsupportable positions such as Intelligent Design Creationism or the nonexistence of Global Warming, and therefore are less likely to be able to advance in academia based on scholarly merit. Reality has a well-known liberal bias, as the saying goes.

The obvious problem with this thesis (as in if you were paying any attention to the actual statistics about representation you'd have noticed it) is that the disparities are generally much smaller in the science and applied science (medicine, engineering) disciplines. Perhaps the liberal bias here lies in the observer?

I always figured that no one much cared about diversity, other than that it was the last constitutionally acceptable reason for most affirmative action after Bakke. If affirmative action to explicitly redress past injustices or for frank social engineering purposes were constitutionally permissible, I doubt that interest in diversity for diversity's sake would be even register on the political radar. Instead, we get diversity used as a code word to advance policies indistinguishable from the previously acceptable policies.

As for myself, I always figured academia was the safest place to warehouse surplus hard leftists. There they can be kept out of the affairs of most adults and do relatively little damage.

How about... there are less conservatives in academia because many conservative viewpoints can't hold up to the serious criticism? How many professional academic historians are there that believe in this current wave of Salafist violence is the same as European fascism in the 1930s?

I guess the other difference is that AEI and Heritage (or Brookings or CPS) aren't in charge of "higher education" for the nation's youth.

On the other hand, we do subsidize them, dammit, - as much of their activity is in tax-exempt foundations.

Mindles, as much as I oppose the distortions that tax exemptions impose on our economy, allowing an economic entity to retain more wealth is not the equivalent of sending an economic entity a treasury check.

I regularly recommend to outspokenly conservative students that they look at law or politics. They're not cut out for the closet.

Outspoken left students may or may not be rewarded, but they will seldom be penalized.

Brooksfoe - I have a tenured Marxist economist colleague - of the two years of his term as presiding officer of the faculty he moved the final faculty meeting from May Day to the following Monday so that we could observe 'real' Labor Day.

I can't even fathom being an outed conservative in a sociology department, it must be so unpleasant for them to go to work every day.

For confirmation of this point, see this article: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/ceji/2004/00000015/00000004/art00006

The author, a professor named Edmund Hamann, tells of the politicized reactions that he witnessed to John Ogbu's scholarship (Ogbu, a Nigerian-American sociologist, was famous for having attributed some of the black-white achievement gap in schools to the fact that some black students think of academics as "acting white").

First, Hamann tells of a speech that he witnessed by a noted Duke professor who opposes Ogbu's theory. That professor said:

My sense is that there’s a tremendous importance to the role that we [activist scholars] play, conducting what I would like to literally call ‘warfare in the academy’. What I mean by that is that there are a wide range of theories, hypotheses, beliefs, and attitudes that are propagated by academics that serve what I would clearly see as an oppressive function. [There’s] a wide range of examples of this. One is this very popular hypothesis that has been advanced by John Ogbu at California Berkeley that purports to explain the racial achievement gap on the basis of the claim that black youths are fearful of peer pressure that they will be accused of acting white if they do well academically.
I'd suggest that if prominent people on the left-wing side in a scholarly debate brag publicly about being "literally" at war, people who take a different view (and who are not even actual conservatives) may be cowed into silence or into pursuing a different line of research altogether.

Second, Hamann describes a situation in which he found himself pulled off a federally-funded education research project merely because he had written a draft paper that cited and relied on John Ogbu even while making clear that he had several “caveats” with Ogbu’s scholarship. At a national meeting related to the research project, Hamann’s supervisor got “blasted” for allowing a paper to rely on Ogbu in any way. Hamann concludes that “Ogbu was not just controversial; he was taboo,” and that “citing Ogbu’s ideas is a route to a kneejerk and jarring dismissal.” Id. at 404-05, 407.

Here's another Marxist economics professor:

http://www.eco.utexas.edu/facstaff/Cleaver/

I'm sure I could find more.

It should be noted that a Marxist, Eric Hobsbawm, was one of the greatest historians of the 20th century, and gave us profound insights into peasant movements and nationalism, among other things. Marxism in the academy is more of a methodology than adherence to doctrines.

It's worth noting that even if the disparity is due entirely to self-selection, the self-selection may itself be due to the fact that the left-wing dominance in academia creates a hostile and unappealing environment for conservatives.

Rickm wrote: How about... there are less conservatives in academia because many conservative viewpoints can't hold up to the serious criticism?

Already attempted in this thread, and already laughed out of town as being the unserious knee-jerk of a biased observer. There are plenty of ideas across the full spectrum that "can't hold up to serious criticism", and plenty of the left-leaning ones are alive and well in the academy, so that explanation won't hold.

anony-mouse,


For example, take Middle East Studies. The population of the far right Bernard Lewis types in academia consists off..... Bernard Lewis. The views of how the Middle East is structured and operates in academia is far different than how the same subject is viewed by the editors of, say, National Review or Commentary. I truly believe that this is not the result of a leftist 'bias' in academia, but rather, right-wing view is generally unsupported by evidence.

Rickm-
It should be noted that a number of free market conservatives have won Nobel prizes in Economics, resulting in a large-scale rejection of Keynesianism. This would put the lie to your claim that conservatives are underrepresented because they're just wrong.
Despite this, free market conservatives and libertarians continue to be vastly under-represented, while Marxists continue to be over-represented even though Marxism is pretty well discredited. In fact, as the Gross and Simmons paper shows, there are quite a few Marxists in the academic social sciences (almost 20% of the professoriate) even though there are almost none outside of it (at least in the USA).

Folks should also consider the examples that I discussed here. http://stuartbuck.blogspot.com/2006/07/empiricism_31.html Is it likely that these sorts of professors would be fair to actual conservatives even after treating non-conservatives with such hostility for reaching the "wrong" results?

"This would put the lie to your claim that conservatives are underrepresented because they're just wrong."


Except, no. It depends on the subject. Like I said before, I think are there are few conservatives studying the Middle East, because conservative views on the Middle East are wrong.

I agree with Megan, but this is a hard case to make because outside the academy a lot of the people identified as conservative obviously have the brains of trout - these are the creationist, Laffer curve fundamentalist, global warming deniers. Groups like the AEI that should maintain standards are often more interested in power or conformity. Smart, reality based conservatives like Megan are drowned out.
So I don't know what to do about the universities, but if conservatives want to change the situation the first thing they should do is get their own house in order. As long as you must maintain that big tax cuts will lead to big government revenue increases to have any standing as a Republican, and you must recognize that that idea is nuts to have any standing as an economist, there will be a problem.

Peter- I think you misunderstand the Laffer curve. The Laffer curve does not say that tax cuts always lead to increased government revenue. Instead, it says that tax cuts don't always reduce revenue, while tax hikes don't always increase revenue. This is actually intuitively correct- a 100% tax leaves no ability for new wealth to be created, meaning there is nothing left to be taxed; a 0% tax by definition also leaves nothing to be taxed. So somewhere there is a level of taxation that maximizes revenue.
I'm not going to deny the intellectual laziness of creationism or outright global warming denial (though skepticism of its extent and debate over proper solutions are certainly fair game).

Peter wrote: So I don't know what to do about the universities, but if conservatives want to change the situation the first thing they should do is get their own house in order. As long as you must maintain that big tax cuts will lead to big government revenue increases to have any standing as a Republican, and you must recognize that that idea is nuts to have any standing as an economist, there will be a problem.

You have observer bias, plain and simple. You've found a few cases where you disagree with positions that some conservatives support, but you've only cited the narrow charicature as grounds that the whole swath of conservative views can't hold up. How do you know? And how do you know that there aren't mainstream left-wing views, even espoused by many in the academy, that have simply slipped below your radar because you haven't questioned them as rigorously?

You have observer bias, plain and simple.

So when common sense tells you something that makes the mouse dyspeptic, it's not common sense, it's "observer bias." Got it.

Name a couple of these far-out "mainstream left-wing views" "espoused by many in the academy." Or is my failure to be aware of any an example of "observer bias."

"Observer bias" sounds a lot like "Bush hatred:" a convenient accusation to lob against people who disagree with you.

I'm interested to hear that there are still a few Marxist economics professors in the American academy. The guy in Texas was hired in 1976 and has so little to do these days that his graduate courses are offered only when there's sufficient student interest. I think anyone (including that Marxist at Texas) would agree that academic economics shifted dramatically to the right from 1970 through 2000 -- precisely the period when the humanities shifted dramatically to the left. I'm talking about the substantive beliefs of the economics professors, not whether they voted Democratic or Republican; since both the political parties also shifted their economic positions radically rightwards over that period, one could easily continue voting for the same party for 30 years while the economic policies one was endorsing shifted from a guaranteed wage (Nixon) to the privatization of Social Security (GWB). For this reason, I don't think surveying the voting habits of professors is any more objective a measure than their self-reported ideological positions.

Mark, Marxism in the social sciences means something different than Marxism in economics. Marxist economics is not a widely valued field. Marxist sociological analysis -- the view that people's political behavior is tightly wrapped up with their economic interests, that economic classes which share common interests often unite to try and take control of the levers of government, etc. -- is very widely appreciated, because it's, you know, true. Quite a number of conservative commenters on this blog, who allege that increases in progressive taxation are largely advocated by people who pay little or no income tax and that most Democrats pay no income tax, are basically Marxists.

Mark and anony-mouse -

I mostly agree with you. Marxist economics is just as crazy as the typical WSJ editorial on taxes, and yet it is not laughed out of universities. Megan was talking about a real problem, and on the university end I don't have any good ideas about what to do about it.
But in the public arena, there is a huge difference. The president, most Republican candidates for that office, and many Republican members of Congress subscribe to loony ideas, in a way qualitatively different than others. It's not fair or accurate, but as long as "conservative ideas" brings up an image of some crank on a school board fighting for creationism it will be harder to make the case that conservatives deserve a bigger slice of academia. The same goes for the higher quality venues - it's hard for the WSJ editorial page to publish the stuff it does and then ask to be taken seriously. I'd like to see more Milton Friedmans, or course, but I'm worried about getting more Luskins or Victor Davis Hansons.

Is there ever a case where a "conservative" viewpoint can be wrong? Is every rejection of a conservative argument an example of "observer bias?" Is it outside the realm of possibility that one reason there aren't many conservatives in the upper reaches of academe might be that their positions have in fact been scientifically and/or logically disproven? That they in fact have failed peer review not through the old-boy network or liberal exclusionism but actually on the merits?

I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I think it's unlikely. Any liberal worthy of the name is going to give the most radical conservative an opportunity to defend their position; but that should not be extended into a requirement that there be some minimum percentage of wrong-headed ideas that should be allowed to win in the name of egalitarianism. Liberals can be quite conservative in that regard.

What the hell is a conservative view of the middle east relating to research and acadamia? I don't agree with a lot of conservativist thought but generally I'd lump myself under that label and I have no idea why my views as a conservative toward the middle east should be, please enlighten me.

As for why conservatives stay away from acadamia, Rick, your attitude is example #1.

Who the hell would want to tolerate being around someone whose every statement stinks of your snob elitist attitude anyway?

I thought the comment towards the top by Will Allen was the most insightful in the entire thread. Let me repeat it just in case you missed it:

Perhaps academia tends to be sclerotic and somewhat reactionary (I don't think the terms "liberal" or "conservative" are very useful anymore) because there is comparatively little dynamism in academia compared to, say, the profit-seeking sector of our society. Compare the companies that comprise the DJIA from 50 years ago and today, against the top 30 highly respected universities of 50 years ago to today.
Sure, changes do occur within these universities, just as they do in the companies that manage to remain prominent enough to be on the Dow for 50 years. I'm sure there are some schools which have changed as dramatically as, say, IBM. However, without any waves of destruction completely obliterating some existing institutions, allowing human talent to be completely scattered and reordered, a tendency towards stasis and reactionary thinking inevitably grows.

That's something I hadn't thought of before, but it's very true! It was amazing to recently read the Forbes 400 and realize how many of the wealthiest people in the US are "self made". The majority of the most successful companies out there didn't even exist 50 years ago. That's really incredible to think about.

I can't think of any comparable institutions in Academia. Maybe Stanford... but the success it has seen seems more due to location than innovative policies. Where are the innovative, dynamic universities that are shooting up through the rankings?

Liberalrob:
Your argument is something of a straw man and fails to distinguish between intellectual conservatism and what now passes for conservatism in the public arena. I don't think anyone here is arguing that, say, creationists should be given faculty positions in biology or geology, or astronomy as a means of intellectual diversity. But those are areas where the distribution is far more even, anyways (probably because there aren't many serious conservative intellectuals who are creationists)- it is still a somewhat skewed area, but I somewhat doubt that it is a result of bias towards conservatives in those fields.

The problem we have is primarily with the humanities and social sciences, which are two areas where a professor's work is largely unprovable to any degree of reasonable certainty (and, in the case of the humanities, not subject to proof of any sort). The exception within those fields is economics since it is heavily based on mathematics (although it is still not as provable as the hard sciences); perhaps not coincidentally, it also happens to be the one social science with a respectable number of conservatives and libertarians.

Again, part of the problem is certainly a self-selection issue. Posters to this board aside, I don't see many conservatives having an interest in sociology or African American Studies.

But self-selection and "unworthy" ideas don't explain the discrepancy in areas like English, History, Philosophy, and Religion- all of which center on extremely subjective interpretations of source materials. Nor does it explain the discrepancy in Political Science, Psychology, etc., which strongly focus on the way the world "should" work compared to how the world "does" work- in other words, work in the social sciences is closely tied to personal moral beliefs, which are inherently subjective.

Conservatives are underrepresented in US academia for two obvious reasons.

First, the modern US brand of conservatism is obsessed with the market and with the single yardstick of economic efficiency and gain. It's relatively rare for people who believe in this, and who have high general abilities, to eschew business employment (which pays very well) in favor of academic employment (which pays less well, even at the elite level). One might as well lament the lack of 300-pound, solidly-built, rabbit-fast young men with strong interest in football in the academic world--they're playing professional football.

Second, the US, uniquely among advanced and not-so-advanced societies, has an institutionally complex system of higher education that includes many hundreds of confessional schools. For conservatives who lead with the cultural (almost always grounded in religion) rather than the economic, there are places that are very congenial to them, and that they gravitate to by the same dynamic that puts all the black kids at the same lunch table. That dynamic certainly includes the hostility of the mainstream, but it's foolish to understand it solely on those terms. It's also, and maybe in greater measure, the comfort of being among "one's own," which I suspect is greater for conservatives than for liberals. I don't think it's tendentious to say that conservatives place a different, and lower, value on difference than liberals do.

I am surprised to see Megan's relatively poor analysis, by the way.

Peter writes 'It's not fair or accurate, but as long as "conservative ideas" brings up an image of some crank on a school board fighting for creationism it will be harder to make the case that conservatives deserve a bigger slice of academia.' I agree that's a problem, but note that conservatives aren't just outnumbered by liberals. If I understand correctly (from other people quoting the study which I haven't yet read myself) self-identified conservatives are outnumbered (overall, and within some fields, though not in every single field) by self-identified Marxists. I don't always gauge public opinion accurately, but my impression is that crank for crank the image of Marxists is even more extreme than that of conservatives.

Also, it's impressive when even the Marxist given as a shining example above can provoke reactions like this at UC Berkeley
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/09/treason-of-the-.html
and the NY Times http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E3D91739F930A1575BC0A9659C8B63
I may not be terribly impressed with the intellectual integrity of people like Luskin and Victor Davis Hanson (particularly since I only dimly recognize the names). Still, I wonder whether it's only the *magnitude* of the political distortion of their judgments that would make them outrageously unsuitable in academia. Might the political *direction* of the distortion be the key obstacle?

I think Stephen and Will Allen are onto something. The problem with a lack of intellectual diversity isn't political, it's intellectual. Consensus is boring.

The rub is that the modern elite university is a status-maximizing institution. Status comes from the hiring of regarded professors, the placement of polished graduates, the peer-review of the like-minded.

One opposite extreme might be something like Black Mountain College -- a short-lived, wildly anarchistic experiment in higher education that could be regarded as a failure, except for the number of talented writers and artists it influenced.

But ironically, the most intellectually stimulating colleges in the modern university aren't the arts, with all their radical posturing, but the hard sciences.

In the hard sciences, ties to business research and development labs provide an input for new ideas. In the arts and social sciences, the loop for new ideas is closed.

"The problem with a lack of intellectual diversity isn't political, it's intellectual. Consensus is boring."


Yes, and no one recognizes this more than GRADUATE STUDENTS! Grad school is like prison--the first thing you do (ok, not the first thing) is take down the biggest name in the place and make them your bitch. If one writes a dissertation that shatters the convention wisdom, and includes impressive research, then one is likely to have a wonderful career.

Where are the innovative, dynamic universities that are shooting up through the rankings?

The University of Phoenix?

I can't offhand think of many new universities that have been established. Not credible ones, anyway. Come to think of it, Falwell's Liberty University is probably one of the most "innovative" and "dynamic" recently-established institutions (in the worst senses of those terms); certainly it's no haven of liberal bias.

When I think "innovative" and "dynamic" I don't usually think "university;" that word usually brings to mind Tom Lehrer's line about "ivy-covered professors in ivy-covered halls."

In the arts and social sciences, the loop for new ideas is closed.

I don't know, the arts always seem to break out with something new from time to time. Social sciences maybe not so much. We may have exhausted original thinking about political theory; there are only so many ways you can arrange society, and man himself doesn't seem to change much anymore.

J.Wharton:

"Perhaps we could apply this to other areas suffering from "under-representation". African Americans in the medical and legal professions, perhaps? Or would that be a function of their lack of intellectual fitness?"

Read the IQ thread. The African American average IQ lags the white average by one standard deviation; that means that only one out of six African Americans has an IQ as high as the average white American (~100). Given that physicians and attorneys tend to require higher-than-(white) average IQs, that doesn't leave a lot of blacks with the necessary IQs to succeed in those fields. If anything, blacks are over-represented in these fields relative to their ability, due to affirmative action.

Henry wrote "I think Stephen and Will Allen are onto something. The problem with a lack of intellectual diversity isn't political, it's intellectual. Consensus is boring."

That's not the only problem, I think. What about the risk of politically fashionable groupthink? Consider the Sokal hoax, or the reaction to _Arming America_ by the Organization of American Historians, or the recent Duke faculty petition regarding prosecutorial abuse, or the long academic infatuation with _Limits to Growth_ and _The Population Bomb_. Maybe this libertarian is just reading the wrong sources and/or remembering selectively, but it seems to me that when mainstream academia commits such a politically-blindered blunder, it's sadly predictable that it will be a left-oriented blunder, not a right-oriented blunder. Perhaps if mainstream academics were more willing to suffer the annoyance of having nonleftist colleagues, such politically palatable fallacies would be recognized earlier, before they could grow fashionable enough to be embarrassing when they leaked from the hothouse of the university to face the cold hard world of open criticism and/or reality.

"Yes, and no one recognizes this more than GRADUATE STUDENTS! Grad school is like prison--the first thing you do (ok, not the first thing) is take down the biggest name in the place and make them your bitch. If one writes a dissertation that shatters the convention wisdom, and includes impressive research, then one is likely to have a wonderful career."

In the food service industry.

I assume there was a hidden sarcasism tag. And actually this may work in the hard sciences at better schools (outside my experience or the experience of anyone I know, even the guys with science degrees from ivy league schools were not willing to see if it would work).

In truth the opposite, 1st thing is to find the smallest name you can stomach spending time with in department and become thier bitch. Slavishly devote yourself to them and write a dissertation which is basically a rehash of something they wrote 30 years ago before brain fosilization set in. The quality of the research is nowhere near as important as ensuring that you chose sources which are in accordance with the members of the committee reviewing your disertation ( committe members as sources is just too obvious). The most important rule, above all others, is do not challenge the beliefs of the commmittee reviewing you disertation, they have years of professional identity invested in those beliefs. You might, if really clever, challenge a minor belief of thiers which they are not strongly invested especially if it will make one of the people they are feuding with look bad, but it can be disaterous if you misjudge, unless you like spending 10 years as a grad student.


Just like prison, tell the parole board what they want to hear so you can get out in a reasonable ammount of time,OR act up and tell them they are stupid so they will keep you there as long as they possibly can.

liberalrob wrote: So when common sense tells you something that makes the mouse dyspeptic, it's not common sense, it's "observer bias." Got it.

Point of unsolicited advice: Don' be coy, as it just doesn't work when coming from you. The structure of the argument to which I was responding was one where somebody extracts a position of limited breadth and depth from a much larger range of views, charicatures it into a strawman, and then uses it as a scarecrow to fend off the entire argument. "Observer bias" was the charitable response, on the assumption that the poster in question deserved a second chance to reconsider his words as compared to what he actually meant.

Claiming that your opponents are wrong because their arguments are all unsound while yours are gold-gilt truth may be one way to win an argument, but it's also the living definition of partisanship. If you wish to add your John Hancock to a partisan argument, be my guest, but I don't recommend it -- the food is mediocre, the service is awful, and the floorshow is cancelled all week on account of the flu.

liberalrob wrote: Name a couple of these far-out "mainstream left-wing views" "espoused by many in the academy." Or is my failure to be aware of any an example of "observer bias."

Oh, no you don't. The party asserting that his opponents are fundamentally unsound on their major points, now has the onus of showing (1) that what he claims are major points, actually are major points and (2) that they actually are unsound, as opposed to being legitimate viewpoints that he merely disagrees with in an intellectually dishonest manner. A hearty "good luck" to those who think they've got that kind of time and evidence.

Meanwhile, if your question about rightish and leftish viewpoints in the academy was anything other than a snark, I offer you a chance to review the thread again -- several claims of both stripes, and of varying merit, have already been raised and debated.

liberalrob wrote: "Observer bias" sounds a lot like "Bush hatred:" a convenient accusation to lob against people who disagree with you.

Freud on Line 1 and Pavlov on Line 2, and both like to have a word with you. Feel free to take it in your office.

Young women are overwhelmingly liberal. A liberal ethos does plenty to improve a guy’s dating prospects.

I'm still basing my opinion on freedom of association, which allegedly still exists in this country. I happen to believe having a diversity of opinion around me makes life more interesting, but when it gets shrill or a person makes demands that suggests I'm acting immoral or in bad faith when I disagree, then I move away and consciously mark the person Not Really Worthy of Serious Engagement.

The same can be said for ethnic diversity. I like diversity, until it becomes a purpose unto itself. Then I move away from it, much as the discussion on this thread is causing me to do now.

I'm curious as to what, precisley, would be a 'conservative' theory in, say, sociolgy, how rigorously has it been tested, and what is it's predictive power.

I'd also be very interested in a 'conservative' theory that people will generally agree has been proven wrong.

Iow, to be blunt, 'conservative' theories are wrong, and that's why they're not taught. That would, imho, be the most parsimonious explanation. The problem is that the soft sciences give more wiggle room in regards to disproof; you see equal amounts of 'conservative' and 'liberal' (I can't believe anyone really seriously thinks like this) chemists, because if there was ever a 'conservative' theory in the field of chemistry, it's been thoroughly refuted to everyone's satisfaction.

So I ask again - just what are these 'conservative' theories that aren't getting a proper hearing in academia? Something besides some generalized grumbling, please.

When I was a grad student and a postdoc in the hard sciences, it was not uncommon to hear seminars about topics like cell division (which no political party or religious group that I know of questions) begin with a political or anti-religious rant. 'Zinger' comments were inserted into much of the conversation because it never occurred to anybody that those overhearing the comments would disagree. I would never say that I left academic research because of the hostile work environment - I now stay at home with a child and teach part-time. However, having to listen to frequent rants about 'those idiots' who don't believe in various environmental policies from people who daily pick up their coffee and lunch in styrofoam containers is not something that I'll miss.