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29 Nov 2007 10:52 am

At Vox EU, three professors write that distance makes a surprising amount of difference to trade in services:

Pundits regularly invoke the notion of a world economy that is either “shrinking” or becoming “flat.” Explanations of this alleged flattening include technological innovations in transportation and communication that have enabled goods and ideas to flow more freely. The offshoring of service jobs, particularly call centers and computer software in India, has grabbed recent media attention. In his bestseller The World is Flat, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (2005) wrote of how he had “interviewed Indian entrepreneurs who wanted to prepare my taxes from Bangalore, read my X-rays from Bangalore, trace my lost luggage from Bangalore and write my new software from Bangalore.”

Most economists, cognizant of the gains from trade, do not view a “flat” world as an alarming prospect. As the 2004 Economic Report of the President remarked sanguinely, “When a good or service is produced more cheaply abroad, it makes more sense to import it than to make or provide it domestically” (p. 229). In a press conference after the release of the report, the Chair of the Council of Economic Advisors at that time, Gregory Mankiw, elaborated on the remarks in the report saying, “Whether things of value, whether imports from abroad, come over the Internet or come on ships, the basic economic forces are the same.” As Mankiw and Swagel (2006) describe in their insideraccount, these seemingly innocuous remarks about outsourcing managed to arouse a controversy. This was partly because of election-year sentiments but also because the threat of service offshoring raises serious concerns for many onlookers. How will we maintain our standard of living, people wonder, when we have to compete with highly skilled foreigners who are willing to do our jobs for a fraction of our wages?

Just as mainstream trade theory identifies gains from trade, it also shows that real wages of some workers tend to fall as a consequence of freer trade. Mankiw and Swagel (2006) respond to these concerns by arguing that the accumulated statistical evidence on the offshoring of services demonstrates that the magnitudes remain quite small compared to the size of the labour market. This case for complacency recalls a debate between Leamer and Krugman over whether rising imports from low-wage manufacturers were responsible for rising wage inequality in the US. Leamer (2000) pointed out that prices are determined on the margin and the volume of trade is irrelevant for wage determination. Krugman (2000) argued that, on the contrary, trade volumes were crucial evidence on the changes in factor prices that can be attributed to trade. However, if recent growth of service imports continues unabated, the current trickle of offshoring could turn into a flood. Mankiw and Swagel’s argument would be more persuasive if there were strong reasons to believe that economic impediments to offshoring will curb its future growth.

Our research investigates whether geographic separation limits offshoring trade, thereby shielding domestic workers from direct competition with their foreign counterparts. We develop a model that envisions employers searching globally for the most suitable workers for any given task and posits that distance raises the costs of using foreign workers. These higher costs reflect travel, training, or translation time associated with using workers that reside far from where their services will be consumed. Firms choose workers that offer the lowest costs after adjusting wages for productivity and distance-based service delivery costs.

. . . Using theory and estimated distance effects, we are able to measure the extent to which geographic separation insulates local workers from foreign competition. The calculations reveal that, from the point of view of a London service purchaser, workers in Oxford can be paid 99% to 373% more than workers in Bangalore in productivity-adjusted wages and yet still be more attractive, once service-delivery costs are taken into account. This is because the Bangalore workers are 100 times more distant from London than the Oxford workers.

I find this outcome surprising, but of course the closer you are geographically, the more likely you are to have substantial immigration flows and cultural and institutional exchanges that make trade in services easier.

On a side note, why on earth is anyone using this dreadful "flat earth" metaphor? It makes absolutely no sense. If the earth were a flat plane, would it actually be any less far from Osaka to Los Angeles? Indeed, it would seem to me that a flat earth would make things farther from each other, since presumably, it would mean unrolling the surface of the globe. That would put some two points on the earth that are currently next to each other literally a whole world away.

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"On a side note, why on earth is anyone using this dreadful "flat earth" metaphor? It makes absolutely no sense."

It makes sense if you think of it the opposite of flat as a hierarchy, rather than as a geographical globe.

For instance, the hierarchy model would be:

Consumer
|
Retailer
|
Wholesaler
|
Manufacturer
|
Supplier

Whereas the completely flat version would be everyone on the same level:

consumer-retailer-wholesaler-mfr-supplier

So, for instance, the consumer can jump straight to the supplier rather than having to pass through all these levels.

Of course, the world is not anywhere near this flat (and this is a grossly simplified and unrealistic illustration I posted), but increasingly it's easier to skip middle levels (especially if you add things like "borders, tariffs, etc" into the model of flat vs hierarchical.

You might have heard of this guy Tom Friedman, wrote a book called "The World is Flat" a while back that generated some discussion? It's mentioned right there in the first paragraph of your quote...

They're not talking about geographical "flatness." Are you just yanking our chains?

I've also heard the term "The Great Levelling" used but couldn't find any refs to it on short notice. I did run across this essay Brad DeLong wrote that you might find interesting, however:

http://econ161.berkeley.edu/TCEH/Slouch_Climb16.html

I know DeLong's a controversial figure.

I think Alan Greenspan was pushing the notion that GDP was getting "lighter" due to technological progress, which may be better than "flatter".

So Messrs. Head, Mayer and Reis have postulated, in their model, that services provided from far away are more costly to employers. And then they have demonstrated that, in their model, nearby service providers can command a higher wage at the same cost to the employer. How is this anything other than the crudest of circular reasoning?

Just as mainstream trade theory identifies gains from trade, it also shows that real wages of some workers tend to fall as a consequence of freer trade.

This seems rather obvious. Some workers will become less competitive in a global market. But what about most workers or the average worker? That seems much more relevant and interesting.

EI

Sammler, I hope that no one disputes that distant goods and services are more expensive than local ones, all else being equal. Head, Mayer, and Reis ought to be able to postulate this uncontroversially. The question they are trying to answer is how much. What Megan finds surprising, I imagine, is not the existence of a local wage premium, but its size.

You are right, Friedman's metaphor sucks. It should be a smaller earth, but then it wouldn't be catchy and Friedmanesque. Blech.

I just watched your bloggingheads on the book called Nobodies. I am frankly very disappointed,a and a little shocked. Why didn't you talk about the book? Why are you so afraid of looking at power? You don't care that people are held in situations that can't get out of? John made a bad analogy about you paying to go to London and get this job and being held against your will. He should have asked if you thought you were going to Beijing or Moscow--thinking it was going to be a stand-up job and finding out that it wasn't, that you were held against your will, and the government didn't give a shit, and you didn't have papers. Christ, even libertarians, I thought, cared about human beings, and cared about laws protecting people. Isn't coercion a huge deal to libertarians? I am really disgusted. Seriously.

Megs - You should really examine the odd fact and the economics of why people use the 'Flat Earth' metaphor even though it is terrible.

It's due soley to Friedman and privately many people who quote him, loath the quote and the pundit. But people keep using it - just as they continue to call Friedman brilliant. But he is not and he is sort of annoying,

This is a riddle.

I just watched your bloggingheads on the book called Nobodies. I am frankly very disappointed,a and a little shocked. Why didn't you talk about the book?

Megan already explained she was jetlagged when she did that one. Scroll down a bit on the main page, there's already been a thread on it. Two, actually, if you count the one where she gave a halfhearted admission that there might be a problem.

Thanks liberalrob.

For excellent dissection of vacuity of "earth is flat" metaphor read Edward Leamer's (UCLA intl trade and econometrics prof) dissection in his review of the book. Available in draft on his website or in final version in Journal of Economic Literature.

Good article on distance is Pankaj Ghemawat in Harvard Business Review "Distance still matters" where he postulates 4 dimensions of distance -- geographic, cultural, economic and administrative -- and economic/commercial consequences.

It should be a smaller earth, but then it wouldn't be catchy and Friedmanesque. Blech.

"It's a small world after all" is catchy enough, isn't it? Why aren't we using it. I blame Disney.

More seriously, I think it comes out of the idea of "trade barriers," and then "lowering barriers to trade," making things "flat." Unfortunately, flat also has other connotations too, and lots of people don't associate a perfect sphere (much less a somewhat irregular ellipsoid with fairly smooth geodesics) with "flat."

Would you prefer "The World is Smooth," by Tom Friedman featuring Carlos Santana?

Some great snarking on Friedman's terrible use of metaphors here and here.

why on earth is anyone using this dreadful "flat earth" metaphor? It makes absolutely no sense.

See Matt Taibbi for the definitive takedown:

As I left the Infosys campus that evening along the road back to Bangalore, I kept chewing on that phrase: "The playing field is being leveled."

What Nandan is saying, I thought, is that the playing field is being flattened... Flattened? Flattened? My God, he's telling me the world is flat!


This is like three pages into the book, and already the premise is totally fucked. Nilekani said level, not flat. The two concepts are completely different.

Thank you for whining about this "flat" metaphor.

I started reading this book myself (I really enjoyed his Beirut to Jerusalem book) and have yet to get past the first few chapters, in large part because everytime he sounds this refrain it jangles dreadfully.

I have wanted to whine about this SO BADLY, but it is such a silly nit, I am delighted somebody else took up the crusade.

My experience working in the software industry indicates that: 1) offshore workers are much less productive than domestic ones, primarily because companies haven't figured out how to integrate them into their onshore development teams (that's a very definite distance cost).
2) Companies hire them anyway because it looks good on paper.
The relatively productivity numbers you cite don't surprise me at all - my guess is that most American companies who hire in India are actually losing money on the deal. However at some point companies should figure out how to run international development teams, and the distance costs will drop significantly.

jens fiederer: COmplaining about Tom Friedman is not whining or picking nits. It is practically an obligation. He is a man with a few, simple ideas who now writes columns, and columns, and books of banal puffery. From Beirut to Jerusalem was good because he had studied the Middle East at University and then was a journalist in a really interesting time. The book was a good synthesis of the region's history and his journalism. Lexus is starting to get really bad. Friedman is an IMPORTANT NY Times columnist and nobody questions his ridiculous metaphors--then we go to the World is Flat. That is where his is totally unhinged. It is basically Tom Friedman running around relating personal anecdotes about hanging out with CEOs and that his daughter uses Google and MySpace instead of an address book. Amazing! Wow! Once again: Blech.

These guys are seriously named "Mayer Head Reis"? That sounds like a good-luck wish to a beer mug.

The author conveniently failed to mention India's Free Trade Zones (free tax zones) 5 and 10 year Tax Holidays.
http://incometaxindia.gov.in/circulars/1994/Cir694.asp

What about that?

Isn't that a violation of the WTO Subsidies Agreement? http://tinyurl.com/qu4wb
Of course it is.

The folks who talk about "competition"...
your integrity with me is a big ZERO.
What you really beleive in is CHEATING...
not fair competition.

So why does the US Department Of Commerce's Susan Schwab go after China for these subsidies but not India?

Why is the US Department of Commerce's policy in this regard so inconsistently applied?

Colleen

Just another metaphorical crime to lay at the feet of Mr. Friedman. I still haven't gotten over his agonizing "operating system" debacle from The Lexus and the Olive Tree, and now this.

Yeah, he was trying to tie the current globalization trends to the notion of "level playing field", and he came up with flat Earth. Swing and a miss, really. Please refer to the many complaints about Friedman's metaphors, some posted on this very blog.

I get what he's trying to say, but whenever I hear about "flat earth", my mind goes back to pre-Columbus times and flat maps instead of globes. Not exactly the image to go with modern globalization.

Thomas Friedman is known for metaphors the same way Yogi Berra is known for wise proverbs.

The only difference is that Yogi didn't have the badge of the gray lady to sanctify his ramblings into the official gospel of elite urban acolytes.

(And yes, I understand the above metaphor is stupid. I was being ironic. More than Alanis was, anyway.)

Having been in IT support roles I find it quite easy to understand why nearby workers can get paid more.
Simply, the nearer a provider is to the place of service the faster they can react and if they're in-house occasionally pre-emptive!

There are also severe problems due to cultural differences between various countries. I work in electronic manufacturing, and have seen attempts to outsource to China fail due to quite different attitudes towards quality and time. As for quality, some of the stories about defective toys I've heard make me think that Mattel managed to blame China for following defective designs that were at least approved if not originated in America, but with other things such as the lead paint, I think it's far more likely that they just cut corners.

"Time is money" isn't something they've learned yet. If a customer calls our US plants with a question, an issue with the quality of the delivered product, or a requirement to change the product, we'll call back within hours, and bust our asses to have either a complete answer to simple problems, or a plan and a schedule to work on the more difficult ones within 24 hours. With China the time zone difference means that even a simple message exchange normally runs overnight, but the main problem is that they won't be spending the first day in China/night here working on the matter - instead, they'll schedule a meeting about it 3 days later. Only then do they really get started.

We have customers scheduling parts built by our American plant to arrive at their plant on the very day they are needed, but from China you'd better have a weeks buffer for resolving problems. That's on top of the weeks extra for shipping and customs clearance - and then when your market changes, that's several weeks worth of parts in the pipeline that you have to pay for whether or not you can still use it.

Worse, if your message was that they're making the stuff wrong, they keep right on making it wrong for those three days until they've held their meetings and determined that you really meant what you said the first time. On the other side, if we see a problem at our factory such that we think there may be an error in the specifications or it is impractical to build to spec, we halt work, call the customer, and try to get it resolved ASAP so we and they can get back on schedule. They either go right ahead and crank out defective product for us to discover weeks later when we open the crates, or halt production and e-mail us three days later, with several more days to solve the problem and re-start production. Either way, we're shutting down a line for lack of usable parts.

OTOH, their engineers work cheaper than our unskilled workers. They can afford to just throw lots of hands at any problem that can be solved that way, while we spend millions on automation and agonize over every hand operation that cannot be automated. They can have nearly as many quality inspectors as production workers and still undercut our prices. If their management just backed up all those QA's with the attitude that, if it's not right production halts and no one has any job except making it right, we'd get no work except prototyping...

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