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05 Dec 2007 12:22 pm

I've long believed that all the hyperbright procrastinators I know, many of them underachievers, are the product of a particular mindset about intelligence. They are people who long ago internalized the notion that performance is largely based on innate talent--and are therefore putting off work because they know it won't be perfect. Procrastination delays the moment at which you find out that you aren't as talented as you hoped and believed you were.

This is approximately Carol Dweck's argument here. I agree with the diagnosis, but I'm a little more sceptical about the cure:

How do we transmit a growth mind-set to our children? One way is by telling stories about achievements that result from hard work. For instance, talking about math geniuses who were more or less born that way puts students in a fixed mind-set, but descriptions of great mathematicians who fell in love with math and developed amazing skills engenders a growth mind-set, our studies have shown. People also communicate mind-sets through praise. Although many, if not most, parents believe that they should build up a child by telling him or her how brilliant and talented he or she is, our research suggests that this is misguided.

In studies involving several hundred fifth graders published in 1998, for example, Columbia psychologist Claudia M. Mueller and I gave children questions from a nonverbal IQ test. After the first 10 problems, on which most children did fairly well, we praised them. We praised some of them for their intelligence: “Wow … that’s a really good score. You must be smart at this.” We commended others for their effort: “Wow … that’s a really good score. You must have worked really hard.”

We found that intelligence praise encouraged a fixed mind-set more often than did pats on the back for effort. Those congratulated for their intelligence, for example, shied away from a challenging assignment—they wanted an easy one instead—far more often than the kids applauded for their effort. (Most of those lauded for their hard work wanted the difficult problem set from which they would learn.) When we gave everyone hard problems anyway, those praised for being smart became discouraged, doubting their ability. And their scores, even on an easier problem set we gave them afterward, declined as compared with their previous results on equivalent problems. In contrast, students praised for their effort did not lose confidence when faced with the harder questions, and their performance improved markedly on the easier problems that followed.

My parents, who had both themselves found school excruciatingly easy, certainly never told me I was smart; they believed the important thing was effort, not talent. I nonetheless internalized the notion that talent mattered more than effort, because in my case, it was obviously true. I learned my lessons far faster than the kids around me with absolutely no effort at all; I mastered long division in about ten minutes, then sat through three excruciating weeks while all the other kids in my class caught up. Telling me that this was the result of my effort, rather than native ability, wouldn't have made me believe in effort; it would have made me believe in the idiocy of adults.

Needless to say, this belief was incredibly harmful when I got into harder academic environments where effort was required; it took me a long time to catch up when I switched from public to private school, because the work was harder than that in my old school, and I didn't know how to tackle it. But before you can reward smart kids for putting out a lot of effort, you have to put them in an environment where some effort is required, and for most really bright kids in America, that isn't the case.

Comments (21)

I experience a similar phenomenon. I breezed through elementary school, then struggled at each higher level. And at each level, I looked back on the previous with fondness. "If only I'd worked this hard in college," I said in grad school, "I'd have gotten A's!"

Amen sister.

I was cursed with both a public school education and a dad who despised public school education. So not only did I grow up thinking I was smarter than most of the other kids, but I was convinced I was smarter than most of my teachers too. Let me tell you, that is a recipe for severe underachievement. That's probably why, as the only National Merit semifinalist (and finalist) in my high school class, I have not yet finished a bachelor's degree 10 years after graduating from high school.

Parents: use me as an object lesson. Don't let your kids grow up to be like me.

Amen sister.

I was cursed with both a public school education and a dad who despised public school education. So not only did I grow up thinking I was smarter than most of the other kids, but I was convinced I was smarter than most of my teachers too. Let me tell you, that is a recipe for severe underachievement. That's probably why, as the only National Merit semifinalist (and finalist) in my high school class, I have not yet finished a bachelor's degree 10 years after graduating from high school.

Parents: use me as an object lesson. Don't let your kids grow up to be like me.


lol sounds pretty familiar

I did do something at somepoint, I think...

I believe other studies have shown that learning is maximized when each group of students have like intelligence. Putting the less intelligent in a class with their intellectual peers benefits them more than mixing them with more intelligent students. The same is true for the brightest kids; mixing them with less intelligent students lessens the accomplishments of the more intelligent kids. This correlates well with the mindset study.

When you have mixing, both sides learn the talent mindset instead of the effort mindset. The less intelligent realize that despite their hard work, they can’t compete with the more intelligent, and as in Jane’s example, the more intelligent realize that effort isn’t needed. Better sorting of students by abilities may eliminate this problem for both groups. Just imagine the GDP gains if we all stopped being lazy.

Now, let me get back to work. . .

Btw, We use the praising effort and not intelligence with my kids and it works great. I had read a similar article to this one about 10 months ago in that horrible, largely inaccurate publication, the NYT.

My kids are much less likely to give up when faced with adversity then they used to be, when we used to praise them for achieving outcomes. It is a fantastic tool. It even works on yourself and spouses. Please try it and be surprised.

It seems obvious to me (although apparently not to most educators in the country) that you shouldn't tell kids what a fantastic job they've done unless it was at least slightly above average. Megan makes a good corollary point that you shouldn't praise children for putting forth effort unless there was some actual exertion involved.

Having been in the exact same situation regarding long division, I can sympathize. (My teacher kept sending me into the hall and telling me to figure out something like 41527694575 / 3826 to keep me out of her hair.)

We would do well to remember that we do as much of a disservice to advanced students by putting them in classes which are below them as we do when we put students who need remedial attention in over their heads. It would be nice to see some more attention paid to the other end of the special education spectrum.

We ran a "Talented and Gifted" program here for awhile. Problem was, even exclusive programs had to be inclusive. "Talent" such as art or music or poetry had to be included so we wouldn't just be separating students into "fast" and "slow," intelligence just being a social artifact, you know.

I believe other studies have shown that learning is maximized when each group of students have like intelligence. Putting the less intelligent in a class with their intellectual peers benefits them more than mixing them with more intelligent students. The same is true for the brightest kids; mixing them with less intelligent students lessens the accomplishments of the more intelligent kids. This correlates well with the mindset study.

When you have mixing, both sides learn the talent mindset instead of the effort mindset. The less intelligent realize that despite their hard work, they can’t compete with the more intelligent, and as in Jane’s example, the more intelligent realize that effort isn’t needed. Better sorting of students by abilities may eliminate this problem for both groups. Just imagine the GDP gains if we all stopped being lazy.

When I was in 2nd grade my parents tried to get me into St. Agnes to escape the plans of the new superintendent of Alexandria City schools. She was of the school of thought that children of all levels should be in the same class, so the smarter kids could pull-up the rest. Unfortunately I couldn't get full academic scholarship and my parents couldn't afford to pay the difference between what I did win and the full tuition. So I didn't escape until we moved out of the jurisdiction 2 years later. Interestingly enough, after I left so did the vast majority of my friends who had been in TAG with me. Their parents either moved or put them in private schools.

In Fairfax County schools I participated in the GT Center program in middle school, which is a magnet program with higher entrance requirements than GT school-based programs. My middle school had both programs, and there was a significant difference between what Center kids were doing and what school-based kids were doing. While I was there, and for a couple of years afterwards, there was a movement of parents who were trying to get the county to combine the two programs because their kids couldn't make it into Center. I saw how disasterous such a policy would be when in high school I was given the nickname 'Webster' the first day of school because I knew what a cartographer was. Mind you, I was in GT classes in high school, but they were at the school-based level because the Center program ends at 8th grade. Later, when I was taking International Baccalaureate courses, they were insufficient at preparing us for the exams because they were open enrollment classes, so teachers had to waste class time dealing with kids who hadn't the wherewithal to handle the coursework. Unfortunately, the idea that advanced high school classes should have open enrollment is quite popular right now, especially with Jay Matthews, the Post's education columnist and administrator of their Challenge Index.

I've always been an procrastinator and a very lazy student. Part of that is due to the fact that I could sit on my hands and day-dream all day long without a care in the world and yet do really well in math or english or social studies (the exception, to this day, is spelling). Part of that is that I knew I did not have the inate talent to be great. See, however smart I may have been, I wasn't nearly as smart as my older brother.

It wasn't until I got to (public) high-school that two things happened. The first, I entered a high school with stellar academics and only gifted students and found I actually had to crack a book sometimes (not often, generally just at the end of the term so I coould pass the final) and the second, that I wasn't nearly as stupid as I thought I was.

It wasn't until law school that I had to regularly start studying, and studying meant actually doing the reading and not learning through osmosis.

But the truth is I still don't work as hard as everyone else because of those twin reasons. I'm smart enough to get by with less and I'm not smart enough to be perfect. It's sad, but very true.

I think at some level we have to concern ourselves with the actual differences between kids... Take a gifted kid with ADD [I found out when I was 40!] and look at every single underacheiving report card, and wonder "why can't you do better" well yeah, I wonder this too? Sometimes it isn't as simple as applying yourself. Couple to the fact that I sired an offspring in many ways similar, and how do I know what to tell him? My ex is bound and determined that he will be in every high level class possible, because he is smart. I see a child who is miserable, because no-one can see how hard some of those things are for him to do. So he gets the verbal lashing for being a C student in a gifted class who is under-acheiving when he could be an A kid in the regular class.

The result in this case is withdrawal. Some other kids, they act out. Ever met a computer black hat that's been in juvie for years and has a 140 IQ? I knew kid like that... I think his primary problem was no-one could get him to do things he wasn't interested in... and made his life hard. In retrospect, he probably had a touch of Aspergers, or OCD. Fire his brain on a problem, and he wouldn't sleep till it was done. Force him to deconstruct a sentance? You might get hit, told to f-off, or he would just fall asleep on you.

Couple to a parent with no skill at figuring an approach? You get a kid that people wrote songs about because it seemed like such a waste when he ended it all.

Where's the rub?

How many kids have this issue? That's the rub. I've done OK for myself, even while not setting the world on fire. So, where are you going to spend resources? On the 5% that will do great things with some sort of support? Or the 20% that won't be able to ever hold a job, unless you can equip them with basic knowledge, and bring their reading up?

You have to figure out on some basis how to approach a kid to keep him from tuning out, while not beating a dead horse. It is important to note that having an aptitude for something doesn't make you good at it. Being great at math doesn't make you a wiz at DiffEQ. But the one size fits all mentality doesn't want to take that in account...

My parents, who had both themselves found school excruciatingly easy, certainly never told me I was smart....

Honesty is the best policy.

If your parents believe effort is the important thing, why have they subsidized you for so long? And why haven't they read this blog?

This much mirrors my own experience. The public schools I attended, while adequate for almost all of my fellow students, severely underchallenged me. I most definitely acquired the idea that talent alone was all it took. When I started college at a prestigious small school, I was suddenly surrounded by a lot of students as innately intelligent as I was. That year was a humbling experience, and even though I literally got kicked out of that school, I did learn my lesson and began to actually work hard at my education. Yet, I still find myself falling into similar patterns of behavior at each new step in my life, relearning this lesson each time.

ha. in my public school, innate intelligence was not enough to get you high grades. there were rubrics. got all the answers right on the test? so what? you didn't show your work. wrote a compelling english essay? that's nice, but points off for putting your name on the left side of the page instead of the right. also, your thesis paragraph was 6 sentences instead of 5. you didn't follow the format! and yes, you did ace all your tests, but you rarely turned in the homework, and when you did, it was messy.

private school was a godsend.

on the bright side, my public school definitely did not teach me that innate intelligence was all you needed to get ahead. Instead it taught me that mindless conformance to trivial standards and a lot of pointless hoop-jumping was the way to acheive success.

They are people who long ago internalized the notion that performance is largely based on innate talent--and are therefore putting off work because they know it won't be perfect. Procrastination delays the moment at which you find out that you aren't as talented as you hoped and believed you were.

I procrastinate frequently, especially back when I was in school, but this reasoning doesn't describe me at all. In my case, I simply had (and still have) a lot of trouble getting motivated, and any petty obstacle to continuing looms like an insurmountable wall. Concomitantly, I have very little trouble getting distracted by something else, and the distraction is easier, so guess what...

Once the deadline is getting close and I know the axe will fall hard tomorrow if I don't get to work RIGHT NOW, that's motivation. After that point I usually overcome the small obstacles and work like a whirlwind until the task is finished.

Personally, I believe the main motivator of procrastination among both high and low achievers is participation in comment threads on blogs.

Amen brooksfoe.

... interesting how no test attempts to gauge why a certain child isn't learning material, or organize their errors so we could see a cohesive pattern across classes. With the way IT is now, it's entirely possible, and has been for a few decades.

If the most important thing about HS is learning how to learn, why do no schools teach that?

Couple this with a few psych tests, and some interesting patterns could emerge.

It hits home with me because I have two different kids with vastly different approaches to learning. My 7-year-old biological son is very academically bright, but does things with kind of a breezy style - he has that "brains, no effort" approach that I think some of the other commenters here are bemoaning, and that scares me, a little. I don't want to raise an underachiever.

My 4-year-old adopted daughter doesn't pick things up as easily as Sam does, but she's amazingly persistent - she'll work away at something until she figures it out.

Who will have more professional success as an adult? Right now, my money's on Gianna, but we need to teach Sam the value of effort as well.

The diagnosis in the parent article seems dead-on to me. We'd figured out at a young age that I was ahead of most of my classmates but my parents never ever ever praised me for being smart but made sure I gave full effort and do extra credit when possible*. And I even consider myself somewhat lazy in HS for only doing "just enough" to get As instead of overacheiving like all the other strivers in my leafy suburb.

Practice in HS prepared me for working harder in college math/science courses and I did well. But I still resent the business majors who never seemed to do a damn thing and still got 3.9+ averages.

Grad school was successful, but my publication output was not as high as it should have been, and maybe I put off defending a little. Why? Without routine deadlines, it's psychologically easier to not prove yourself. Just as a project would be coming to climax there'd be self doubt: What if after all this I'm WRONG?

Hell, I just had some great work published in a top journal and I'm still worried that it'll be proved wrong, I'm a fraud, etc.

Sorry, I meant to post this earlier, but, uh, you know....

*My brother, who was not as adept, was treated the same way. Never ever ever called or treated "dumb" "slow" etc. They pushed him, too. He ended up attending the same college I did, and one the same scholarship no less. And he's doing great. Damn, my folks were awesome.

One of these days, I will resolve not to procrastinate.....

I totally agree with this because I am someone who doesn't really have the brains, but I work very hard. Some people are not as smart, but they are determined and persistant. In the end, that's all that matters.

Megan -- I don't think your stated skepticism of Dweck's suggested 'cure' is warranted.

Dweck's work suggests that the respective mindsets' ('entity' vs. 'growth') influences on persistence only become clear when students face challenges they struggle with. In your case, the research suggests that if it were the case that you were challenged academically, and coached that your subsequent success was contingent on your effort rather than how 'smart' you were, you would have been more likely to persevere, and to consequently develop the trait of perseverance.

So it is reasonable to think that children should both a) regularly push the limits of their abilities in their academic program, and b) be coached through that process with praise for their effort.

Your example of not being academically challenged is a 'straw man' (if your familiar with informal logic).