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27 Dec 2007 03:04 pm

Nobel-prizewinning economist Gary Becker writes this week about the subprime bubble. He ably punctures the notion that the bankers were all a bunch of evil cheaters:


Many economists and members of Congress have claimed that the housing crisis was greatly magnified because unqualified home buyers with limited incomes and assets were not fully aware of the terms of their mortgage loans, such as that the low initial (teaser) interest rates were only temporary. This belief in the beneficial effects of greater knowledge about mortgage terms is inconsistent with the evidence that the most sophisticated banks and investment companies, including Merrill Lynch, Citibank, and Morgan Stanley, have written down their housing investments by billions of dollars. No one can reasonably claim that these banks lacked the skills and knowledge to evaluate all the terms of, or the likelihood of repayment, on the subprime and other mortgages that they originated or held as assets. The losses to investors have been so large, and have so eroded their capital base, that some of the major investment companies have needed large infusions of capital from Middle Eastern and Asian Sovereign Funds (see our discussion of these funds on December 10th).

Although there was some fraud by mortgage lenders and by borrowers, fraud was not the main reason why so many subprime mortgages were issued. Otherwise savvy investors greatly undervalued the risks associated with many of the mortgage-backed securities that they held. They and borrowers alike did not fully appreciate that interest rates were likely to increase from their unusually low levels, and that many borrowers lacked the financial means to meet their mortgage repayment obligations at higher rates, and sometimes even at the low initial rates they had received.

Given the low interest rate lending atmosphere of the past few years, it is highly unlikely that borrowers would have turned down the mortgages they received if they had much better information about terms, or that lenders would have been more reluctant to originate or hold these mortgage assets if they had better information about the credit and other circumstances of borrowers. This is why I doubt that the rules proposed this week by the Federal Reserve to require lenders to get more information about borrowers, and to provide more information to borrowers about the terms of mortgage loans, would have been effective in warding off this crisis, or will be effective in preventing future crises.

He goes on to point out that the same people criticizing banks for issuing loans to people in marginal neighborhoods with inadequate credit were, several years ago, some of the loudest voices raised against "redlining"--that is to say, the practice of refusing to issue loans to people living in marginal neighborhoods with inadequate credit1. But I want to focus on this point.

The housing bubble was a great national folie-a-deux. Buyers and lenders alike were deluded by long years of easy credit into thinking that risks were lower than they actually were. It is not plausible to argue that the banks knew the loans would go bad . . . and nonetheless jammed billions of them into their portfolios.

To many people, of course, this cries out for regulations to keep the bankers from being stupid: force them to up their loan quality. This is likely to just replace one kind of error with another. Most people who got subprime loans are not in default, and I will be very, very surprised if the number of defaulters even gets near the 50% mark. Why would we want to cut off credit to the sensible majority who can meet their payments, in order to protect those who take out loans they can't afford? There is no way to tell Class A from Class B--or believe me, the banks would already have weeded the latter group out.

It is characteristic of major economic problems that whatever problem you're having now seems like the only problem worth solving, no matter what the cost. But the cost of denying credit to millions of people is very high--and tellingly, it will not be borne by any of the people who are advocating it.

1 But why does the quality of the neighborhood matter, I hear you cry? Because when housing booms end, the marginal neighborhoods experience the fastest and deepest declines in home values. That means that a lot more people in those neighborhoods end up "upside down" on their mortgages: the value of the loan exceeds the value of the home. That means that they can't get out of a tight spot by refinancing, or selling; even if they sell, they owe the bank money, meaning they have to declare bankruptcy.

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It's not necessarily the marginal urban 'hoods which see the steepest price declines when booms end. Some of the really distant exurban subdivisions can get hit even harder, as they can be very remote from jobs and amenities.

Gary Becker's post is very good, as is Megan McArdle's (I'm glad to see that she now recognizes that moral hazard is a serious concern). The key point is this:

"I am skeptical of additional government interventions into a housing market that already has too much."-Gary Becker

Those crying out for more regulation and more subsidies fail to see how past regulations and subsidies helped to create the problem (which i refuse to call a "crisis"). The mortgage interest deduction is one such distortion.

The best thing the government can do is to let the market work. Let it punish home buyers and lenders who took irrational risks. Let it reward those who were prudent (like a couple I saw interviewed recently who were unable to purchase a house during the boom, but are now buying one in foreclosure). Market discipline is the best salve.

But as I understand it, the big banks and investment companies weren't the loan originators. They (foolishly) bought the bad loans and the bad investment vehicles based on bad loans.

So whatever fraud there was wouldn't have been between big banks and borrowers, but between mortgage brokers and borrowers.

Part of the due diligence responsibility of the buyers of these securities would be to assess the quality of the underlying mortgages. And it doesn't really matter if it was fraud or negligence. A ton of money was being made tossing these mortages into bonds and then tossing the bonds around--players once again let their greed overcome their understanding of dynamic markets.

The reminder about the redlining hysteria of ~15-20 years ago is a crucial point. Our government is almost schizophrenic when it comes to the issue of credit for marginal borrowers. On the one hand, it wants the poor to have access to credit, and on the other hand, it rails against any business that offers them credit in a viable way. This is true not just of sub-prime mortgage lenders but of payday lenders and credit card companies.

The definition of redlining is not "the practice of refusing to issue loans to people living in marginal neighborhoods with inadequate credit." It's "the practice of refusing to issue loans to people (any people) living in neighborhoods where black people live."

I do not know to what extent this practice is prevalent today, as opposed to 50 years ago. But let's use the right name, shall we.

"That means that they can't get out of a tight spot by refinancing, or selling; even if they sell, they owe the bank money, meaning they have to declare bankruptcy."

This is wrong. If someone gets upside down on their house, and cannot sell for the amount they owe, they can just walk away and let the bank foreclose. The bank cannot go after a person's personal assets for the difference between the sale price and the loan amount, and so bankruptcy is not necessary. It certainly hurts a person's credit to walk away from the house/loan, but is not a bankruptcy.

If someone gets upside down on their house, and cannot sell for the amount they owe, they can just walk away and let the bank foreclose. The bank cannot go after a person's personal assets for the difference between the sale price and the loan amount, and so bankruptcy is not necessary.

It depends on the state. In some states, mortgage lenders can go after defaulted borrowers' other assets if the foreclose proceeds fall short.

so... when are you going to write the book that examines the corelation between mortgages, population expansion, the flight to cities, and the change from agrarian to service in employment? :grin:

Curiosity about the birth of mortgages [VS. a real loan] aside... what always interests me in terms of economy and delusions, is how people in general are willing to 'bet the farm' on the idea that things will remain the same. I too came close to subprime [because of the laugh-riot that is a divorce] but that little voice in my head said, "if this resets before you are done with the alimony, it'll go boom." Interestingly, it only took 18mo. for that to start.

I think that "It is characteristic of major economic problems that whatever problem you're having now seems like the only problem worth solving, no matter what the cost." [M] is also true at the micro scale of individuals... We get into a situation where we think 'if it goes south, I'll just figure something out' but the sheer SIZE of loans like this preclude that. IFF it happens to the sector.
If it happens to me in a vacuum, well then I can probably sell the house. But if it's wider then that, if the houses on both sides of mine are also for sale... it's over.

Seems like a lot of schadenfreude is around, as if the individuals in question have some kind of moral defect. Sure, there are plenty of moral defects around, we all have them, but I am somewhat tired of looking at this mess as if the entire CLASS of people effected by it, [IE. pretty much everyone with a subprime loan] should have known that the subprime market would implode. The same way everyone in the internet bubble should have known. The same way the pesnion holders at Quest and Enron should have known. The same way that you should have known when you forget to take your umbrella, it will rain.

In retrospect, it's easy to say, "shoulda known better". Much harder to figure out how to do it better.

My bottom line question is kinda simple. IS co-owning a house with a bank BETTER than renting? Both on the micro scale of one, and the macro scale of the country? In our post babyboom gen, I know very few who will actually EVER own a house. They may have one fore some years, sell it and buy something else bigger, or move to a nicer place, but they restart the ownership process by doing that. By contrast how many of our parents gen, bought a house, lived in it, and paid it off. Maybe only selling it to retire to sun-city. That means that all you are EVER doing is paying rent to the bank for whatever house you are in. Since you do that your whole adult life, you never own anything, and the final amount of what you pay is astounding.

I know a guy who is pretty content renting a nice apartment and taking lots of trips, and other things, because he decided that owning a house is actually a liability, NOT an asset. "Would you pay 400K for a 200K house? run the numbers on owning one, and you might be surprised..."

Makes me wonder if owning a house to start with is just as much an illusion as getting a subprime loan to make it happen...

They say the market can remain irrational far longer than you can remain solvent. It's also true that you can get fired long before you are proved right.

The question they never answered in B-School. A massively leveraged position will always outperform a conservatively hedged one on the way up. How, as an executive, do you justify your relitivly poor performance while waiting for the market to turn?

Hey there Megan - just over from your Ron Paul post. Do you just wing it all the time? Why not do 10 minutes of research? Banks knew the loans would go bad - it was the origination machine that helped drive the process and they thought they could stuff investors with these loans. The banks where caught off guard by the swiftness of the downturn – they simply could not get the loans off their books fast enough. Goldman Sachs was savvy enough to get net short the market, but that took months of hard work by their traders to put the position on (see WSJ front page story on 12/14). I don’t think the govt should regulate mortgage standards, let the banks decide - but I also think we should let the banks go bankrupt when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar (but the Fed won’t let that happen). Anywho – why do you have a job?

Not to suggest that he's wrong, but...

No one can reasonably claim that these banks lacked the skills and knowledge to evaluate all the terms of, or the likelihood of repayment, on the subprime and other mortgages that they originated or held as assets.

That might be a bit disingenuous. I'm probably wrong, but it seems like there's a bit of a difference between predicting the risk you'll be left holding the bag for a bad loan in a typical market, and predicting the risk that a bubble is going to collapse and drag everyone down. Yeah, I'm sure they're very, very good at predicting the former, but the latter... apparently not so much.

Likewise, you can pretty reasonably claim that they could/did predict that the bubble would burst eventually, but just figured that they'd make more money by continuing to hype it as long as possible and taking their lumps later (under new CEOs, natch). That puts a rather large dent in the notion that this took everyone by surprise, and that we're all basically in the same boat for the same reasons (though I'll grant that they "ride it for as long as possible" attitude seemed to be common on both sides).

"In some states, mortgage lenders can go after defaulted borrowers' other assets if the foreclose proceeds fall short."

I've heard this before, but none of the states I've ever lived in allow this. Which states in particular are non-non-recourse states?

Banks knew the loans would go bad - it was the origination machine that helped drive the process and they thought they could stuff investors with these loans.-TC

And the investors buying these loans were--other banks. The truth is that the rating agencies and many banks underestimated the risks associated with these securities. Now they are paying for it.

There was no grand conspiracy to make lots of bad loans and then "stuff investors" with them. People just found it difficult to resist the seemingly easy profits that were coming from subrime loans and sucuritization.

As Warren Buffett often says, the market tend to alternate between excessive greed and excessive fear. Greed was preeminent in the last few years, and it led to irrational risk-taking.

While in general I agree the market should regulate itself, the total lack of any guidelines that any reasonable human being would require to issue a mortgage was truly shocking. The new guidelines, when read aloud, sound like what we used to call "common sense." "You have to verify the income of the person", "When you say a mortgage is fixed rate, it has to be fixed rate."

I mean, jeez, is that too much regulation?

The bankers/mortgage originators were like CPAs preparing tax returns - they were playing within the lines of the game, but the game clearly had poorly drawn lines.

LET'S GET THIS OUT IN THE OPEN. THIS WAS A GRAND CONSPIRACY COOKED UP ON WALL STREET WITH THE HELP OF THE FEDERALES. THE SUBPRIME BORROWERS WERE NOT CREDIT WORTHY, AND HAD ALWAYS BEEN GOVERNMENT LEACHES. THE BANKS NEEDED WARM BODIES TO SIGN UP. THE ONLY QUALIFICATION WAS TO HAVE A PULSE, EVEN IF WEAK. THE BANKS PAID OFF THE APPRAISERS TO PUMP THE APPRAISALS. WITH THE APPRAISALS PUMPED, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAD ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY UNDERWRITING THE BOND ISSUE. WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANIES UNDERWRITING THE ISSUE, THE RATING COMPANIES HAD NO PROBLEM IN GIVING A SUPERIOR RATING. WITH A SUPERIOR RATING, THE PENSION FUNDS, OVERSEAS BANKS, MONEY MARKET FUNDS WERE HOOKED LIKE A LARGE MOUTH BASS. (PITY THE POOR LITTLE INVESTORS THAT STILL BELIEVE THIER MONEY MARKET FUNDS AND "READY ASSET ACCOUNTS" ACRE ACTUALLY IN CASH) THE FEDS KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY WERE DESPERATE TO KEEP THE ECONOMY PUMPED SO THEY SAID NOTHING. OH, THE SCREAMING WILL BE HEARD AROUND THE WORLD WHEN THE YEAR END FIGURES ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. I WAS INVOLVED IN THE S&L BUSINESS IN THE 1980S. THE FEDS CAME SWOOPING IN AND DESTROYED THAT INDUSTRY. AND EVERYONE SAID IT WAS A RIP-OFF. IN RETROSPECT, IT WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A FEEBLE ATTEMPT BY MOST S&L OWNERS TO KEEP THE INSTITUTIONS AFLOAT WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE FEDERAL HOME LOAN BANK BOARD. THAT WAS, UNTIL 1986 WHEN SOMEONE DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO CLOSE THE DOORS AND GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. WE WERE CREAMED AND EVERYONE LAUGHED. WELL, I AM LAUGHING EACH AND EVERY MOMENT AS THIS SCENARIO UNFOLDS. IT IS GOING TO MAKE THE S&L MATTER LOOK LIKE A SUNDAY SCHOOL PICNIC. AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED TO A BETTER BUNCH OF SOBS. AS FAR AS THE BLAME, IT SHOULD BE EQUALLY SPREAD BETWEEN THE BORROWERS, THE APPRAISERS, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, THE RATING AGENCIES, AND ASSUREDLY THE WALL STREET SCOUNDRELS. WITHOUT DOUBT, IT WAS A GRAND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT LARCENY OF EPIC MAGNITUDE. I KNEW THIS COLLAPSE WAS COMING, AS HOW ON EARTH COULD ANY BANKER WITH AN OUNCE OF BRAINS THINK THESE SUBPRIME LEACHES WOULD PAY. STILL AND ALL, I NEVER DREAMED IT WAS CRASH IN THIS MANNER. NEVERTHELESS, I AM WAITING WITH GREAT ANTICIPATION FOR THE COMING DAYS WHEN I, ALONG WITH MY VULTURE BUDDIES, WILL PICK THE BONES CLEAN. YES, WHAT GOES AROUND TRULY DOES COME AROUND.

HOW ON EARTH COULD ANY BANKER WITH AN OUNCE OF BRAINS THINK THESE SUBPRIME LEACHES WOULD PAY.

I'll see your caps lock, and raise you a bold tag:

THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY (90% OR MORE) OF THE "SUBPRIME LEACHES" ARE PAYING.

rwe –fact: these loans were written on the assumption of home appreciation in perpetuity – you know this and as early as 2004 people where talking about the national housing bubble. Do you really think lenders believed housing would appreciate in perpetuity or that any of the borrowers from 2004 on (dipsh#ts) would ever own their home? The people writing these loans knew they were toxic waste (bogus appraisal/weak buyer) and sliced them up in neat little tranches with the rating agencies blessings. The sellers only needed to pump out product and the investors, weather it was a Bear Fund/insurance co xyz /China or any other yield hungry investor, believed the models and the ratings. Hence, they were stuffed with structured product they though there would always be a bid for. The investors in those bear funds lost everything – do you think they ever thought that would happen? Before those funds crack, goldman had already but on the short position. I did not say there was a grand conspiracy – it was greed. But don’t tell me the sellers of this waste “underestimated the risk” and did know what they were selling or as Megan put it – “It is not plausible to argue that the banks knew the loans would go bad . . . and nonetheless jammed billions of them into their portfolios.” They knew the risk and it was game of musical chairs – they just never thought the music would stop with low unemployment and 3% + GDP growth.

Which states in particular are non-non-recourse states?

I can't find a list, but IIRC most states indeed are non-non-recourse states. California is an exception, being non-recourse, and I believe Texas and Nevada are too.

Banks and borrowers both seem to get a ton of the blame for the subprime mess, and rightly so. But there doesn't seem to be too much light on the mortgage brokers and salespeople who sold people mortgages they couldn't afford - often by fudging the numbers.

Now, obviously the banks and borrowers were complicit in this. But it seems like there is a certain amount of principle/agency problem in that the mortgage broker who fudges the numbers gets his commission, and doesn't have to deal with the person he sold it to defaulting in a year or two.

When I bought Casa De Mad, my sprawling 1200 square foot 1970's townhouse in suburban Baltimore County, I had one mortgage broker who specifically advised me that the could help me hide assets so I would qualify for a first-time buyer program - so I'm sure there was quite a bit of sleaze in the process.

tc,

I think you're ascribing more shrewdness to the Wall Street crowd than it deserves. You give the example of Goldman's short position. Fine. Find another. Every other bank (or investment bank)was hurt by the downturn. Look at Citigroup, Countrywide and Washington Mutual.

The truth is that a lot of smart people made a big mistake and mispriced these securities. It's happened before--e.g. "junk" bonds in the 1980's. It's always tempting to try to find some "malefactors of great wealth" behind every downturn. But usually one finds mostly honest mistakes and bad luck.

The real crazies are people who suggest that banks wanted to make loans to borrowers who would fail! I read that banks WANT to foreclose on homes - you see that drivel all over the place.

No, Fred is correct, banks (and Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac) have been browbeaten for years to lend to "underserved" people, in otherwords peole who were deadbeats waiting to happen. Sure, banks and investors are more of victims than the "subprime" borrowers who got to "buy" a house with no money down and make interest-only mortgage payments on the hope that the value of the house goes up. Heads they win, tails the bank (or investor) loses. No, this was not capitalism at it's best, but there is always the perverse hand of govenment meddling about, especially in the S&L crisis when S&Ls were actually encouraged by the Feds to expand into commercial real estate lending (Bad timing I'd say).

rwe - I do agree that most investors where drinking the housing cool aid. But I guess I am skeptical of origination machine that was built. Again, no conspiracy - just a lot of financial alchemy. People in those shops knew they where stretching the model too far. I do not want the govt to make mortgage standards more stringent. Regards.

tc wrote, "These loans were written on the assumption of home appreciation in perpetuity." Let's be more specific: on the assumption of land appreciation in perpetuity. It isn't the prices of bricks and plumbing fixtures or the wages of construction workers that had been skyrocketing. It's land, because they aren't making any more of it. Land is especially subject to speculative bubbles (even though they can happen in tulips or dotcom stocks as well), because increased prices do not bring increased supply. But people cannot pay more and more for land as compared to wages or GNP forever. Sooner or alter, they can't afford to buy, and the bubble bursts. The credit boom and bust, and related phenomena, are foam on the surface of the land speculation wave.

I'll see your caps lock, and raise you a bold tag

I say Rob Lyman wins the thread.

Unless some madman can invoke the dreaded blink tag...

I don't think you can blame increases in the general cost of money for the subprime crisis. The prime rate is the same as it was two years ago and only 3 percentage points above its all-time low in 2003. Someone in 2003 who predicted this rather modest increase would have been regarded as quite optimistic.

Instead, I think you had a certain percentage of buyers who do not grasp the concept of interest, let alone the fact that their ARM teaser rates would inevitably adjust some day and cause their payments to go up even if the prime rate stayed at historic lows. Regulations would have to be foolproof indeed to prevent people like that from losing their houses.

rwe writes:

The truth is that a lot of smart people made a big mistake and mispriced these securities.

Amen.

That said, given the systemic impacts of this crisis, I think it is worth carefully considering whether there could be some kind of regulation that would prevent a crisis of this type(*) from recurring, or that would mitigate the impact of the crisis. The answer to that question may very well be "no," but it is worth thinking about.

My initial thought was that the rating agencies might bear some examination, although I'm now thinking that that's probably something the market is going to find it's own way of dealing with.


(* I don't mean that this particular crisis might recur. Presumably people who bought securitized subprime loans won't make the same mistake in the future with a new set of subprime securities. Accordingly, I don't see any point to the various efforts to regulate mortgage lending now.)

How come everyone just focuses on ARMs, and we all seem to forget the interest-only and liars loans that were floating around. Those were the loans that people were literally betting on housing appreciation. ARMs are a combined bet on housing, credit and income appreciation, so at least the bet was hedged. If two of the three bets worked, you would be ok.

The other thing I don't get is why do we feel sorry for people who only used their mortgage broker to educate them about their loan options? Do we feel similar sympathy for folks who would do no research prior to purchasing a car, and were talked into a car they couldn't afford/didn't need? If you don't get that you never trust the salesman to give you honest advise, you will have a long and unhappy life. Nothing the government can do will save you.

When I was thinking about getting back into the housing market in 2005 after my divorce was final, I wasn't very positive about my ability to get a loan, given the prices up here in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. That is, until I met a mortgage broker who was more than willing to get me into just about any house I wanted. The market still has a long way to go, she said. Don't worry about the ARM, she said, you'll be refinancing this by 2008.

I'm just glad I didn't buy the snake oil!

What McMegan seems to forget is that a lot of loans that were made the last few years were sub prime. I think she misunderstands what happens when a loan goes bad. You don't need 50% of the loans to go belly up to cause a problem. Even half that would cause a problem. A huge problem.


RWE:
Do you believe the Fed should be involved? Do you know that a few Wall Street firms(Citigroup among them) would likely have gone tits up by now if it wasn't for Fed intervention?


Megan:
Do you understand what regulations are for? They are supposed to prevent catastrophes like we are seeing now. To prevent, in Mr. Andrea Mitchell's words, irrational exuberance. As you can see, the irrational exuberance can cause a lot of problems.

Joe wrote: The other thing I don't get is why do we feel sorry for people who only used their mortgage broker to educate them about their loan options? Do we feel similar sympathy for folks who would do no research prior to purchasing a car, and were talked into a car they couldn't afford/didn't need? If you don't get that you never trust the salesman to give you honest advise, you will have a long and unhappy life. Nothing the government can do will save you.

One of the deeper educational issues that the US faces is that there is little to no financial education. Given that, expecting lower-income people to have the same financial intelligence as the classes above them strikes me as unrealistic. One of the great issues, then, is that the mortgage companies put complex financial structures together that targeted the least educated on the matter. This seems failry commonplace whether we look at mortgages, rental outlets or credit cards. The poor generally pay higher interest rates and have more complex financial instruments put to them than higher-income groups. This makes some sense - higher risk, higher return. But corporations have really made it a science of getting as much out of these people as possible.

I say this only because I get a bit tired of the argument "they should have read and understood what they were signing." On the surface, this argument is, of course, completely correct. However, it ignores a much more complex issue underneath - using the most sophisticated financial products on those least likely to understand them.

Now does this apply to the home-flipper in CA or in LV? Of course not. How about the middle-class family that took all the money out of their house? Of course not - although I am always shocked - shocked - at how many fairly affluent (or seemingly affluent) people I know that seem to not even have a clue about common financial matters - whether it be credit cards or mutual funds.

As for the comment, "nothing the government can do will save you." I'd point out that the guidelines just based by Congress were very basic - as I mentioned in a post above. "Don't give a loan to a person without verifying their income." "Make sure they can pay the monthly amount including taxes and insurance."

Even these basic guidelines would seem likely to reduce the amount of fraud and complexity for the consumer.

In terms of assessing who's at fault for the whole mess, I'd include the usual suspects - loan originators, banks, consumers, etc - but my main target would be the Fed which allowed all this to happen by keeping interest rates too low for too long (replacing the tech bubble with an asset bubble) and for providing no lending guidelines even when people within the Fed were saying that this was getting out of control.

If you allow the salesperson to 'educate' you about your needs and what is available, there is no government program that will save you. If you think the salesperson is you friend and has your best interests at heart, there is no government regulation that can save you. It really is that simple. The government can't save you from yourself.

Joe - even basic protections against the slimy sales tactics were never put in place prior to the current bill - while I agree that government cannot prevent someone from making a mistake, it can prevent fraud and lending practices which should obviously be illegal.

But the cost of denying credit to millions of people is very high--and tellingly, it will not be borne by any of the people who are advocating it.

It may be high but I think that if bankers would deny these people then they would be forced to work harder and improve their credit rating so it will be almost impossible for them to be denied. Also, it might open their eyes that they should only live within their means. If we would not make some sacrifices, then these events will just go on and on and on and we know how hard it is, don't we?

dmwr - terrific analysis of how the poor and uneducated are usually exploited by financial institutions. To go even further than their intentional complexity, structured packages sold to the less educated have the added advantage of targeting a consumer group that has few means of recourse in the event that they were manipulated and things did go sour. Whereas you or I might have the ability to hire a lawyer or adviser to review the legitimacy of a lemon we just purchased (if the car salesman analogy established earlier holds for mortgage lenders), poor and uneducated usually cannot. And, since they are less mobile politically, the collective impact of a large number of them losing their homes is unsubstantial. To call it a conspiracy dramatizes the tactic far more than it needs to be, yet banks and lenders do not fail to take these things into account when scheming up packages for the poorer and less educated individuals trying hard to find a way to participate in a market that has historically left them segregated.

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