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Why are citizenship and working bundled?

27 Dec 2007 01:37 pm

In re guest workers, Kerry responds:

Citizenships are club memberships you happen to be born with. Some clubs, like the Norway club, have truly awesome benefits. Others, like the Malawi club, offer next to none. Membership in each club is kept limited by club members, who understandably worry about the drain on resources that new members might represent. Wishing the U.S. would extend more memberships in 2008 isn’t going to get you very far.

Conceptually, for whatever reason, most of us are in a place where we think labor market access and citizenships ought to be bundled. A Malawian can’t come work here, we think, without the promise of a club membership, which is nearly impossible to get. This is an incredibly damaging assumption for two reasons: (1) memberships are essentially fixed in wealthy democratic societies (2) uneven labor market access is a major cause of global inequality. Decoupling the two leads to massive gains, as we see in Singapore, without the need to up memberships.

Question: what's the difference between outsourcing and immigration? To an economist, perhaps not much; they both cause relative adjustments in some wages while producing gains from trade. To the rest of us, however, there are large and noticeable differences. Immigrants produce substantial externalities, positive and negative, in the communities they inhabit. Citizenship doesn't come bundled with the right to work for American companies; it comes bundled with the right to work for American companies here. And it does so for the very good reason that one's neighbors have a very large impact on one's life. We may some day transcend geography, but right now we're all very much locked to a small patch of earth, and the people who happen to be inhabiting the patches next to us.

I am of the opinion that the positive externalities outweigh the negative ones, particularly when we consider, as I believe we should, the benefits to the migrants. But there are ways to amplify the negative externalities, and setting up a program that explicitly prevents assimilation seems like a big one. So does setting up a program which, in order to actually make it work as promised, would require massive changes to American institutions such as gender discrimination laws.

I don't think that most supporters of guest worker programs actually envision them working as promised; I think they anticipate substantial leakage from the program, rather than anticipating that we will, say, suddenly start discriminating against female immigrants. Probably they're right. But I get hopping mad every time I see a politician lowballing the cost of his latest healthcare boondoggle, so I don't feel entitled to work similar tricks on people I disagree with. And in the long run, I don't think it will work. Programs sold on exaggerated promises, like the Medicare subscription drug benefit, survive because they create their own constituency against changing them back. But if this program works as advertised, its major beneficiaries won't ever be able to vote.

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My impression was that the bracero program was a success. If so, then why not try it again in a limited way. If it works, then expand it. if not, then cancel it.

After all this is an empirical question. Why not test a guest-worker program?

I wonder if part of the issue is that citizenship here just doesn't really count for much, at least as much as it should.

If you are a non-citizen - even here illegally - you can still go to a hospital, have your kids in school, drive (possibly without insurance), buy whatever you want, have legal protections, etc. Okay, maybe you can't vote per se, but you can march in a political demonstration aimed at showing how "oppressed" you are without any fear of reprisal.

Why bother with citizenship? Especially if you can avoid paying taxes.

Programs sold on exaggerated promises, like the Medicare subscription drug benefit, survive because they create their own constituency against changing them back.

Pretty much sums up Congress.

But if this program works as advertised, its major beneficiaries won't ever be able to vote.

Except that nobody is forcing them to come here.

(2) uneven labor market access is a major cause of global inequality.

I don't understand this at all. Completely opening labor markets in developed countries could make some individuals from poor countries far richer, but poor countries would still have billions of poor people and lots of inequality.

I am of the opinion that the positive externalities outweigh the negative ones, particularly when we consider, as I believe we should, the benefits to the migrants.

Which is reasonable, but its worth pointing out that you only believe this for a certain level/distribution of immigration.

uneven labor market access is a major cause of global inequality.

Yes, of course it's our fault entirely. Never mind the markets and/or political situations in those countries.

So does setting up a program which, in order to actually make it work as promised, would require massive changes to American institutions such as gender discrimination laws.

I imagine there's a host of other laws the guest workers would need to be exempt from in order for it to be effective.

From Kerry's article, you can surmise that the program in Singapore works because Singapore, as a tiny country, doesn't actually have a domestic workforce capable of doing these jobs, and its residents have no objections to creating a second class with little to no rights, who aren't subject to a minimum wage, who can be worked 6 days a week for 10-12 hours a day, housed in camps under guard, forced to have abortions under thread of deportation, subjected to various abuses, etc.

And I think people are getting distracted by the terms here. When we object to similar domestic proposals on the grounds that they're un-American, we aren't just referring to a vague idea that living and working here should be a path to citizenship. We're also referring to various rights, entitlements, and protections that Americans enjoy, which would likely be withheld from an imported labor force. But it's also those rights, entitlements, and protections that are driving the cost and shortage of domestic labor. So we're basically talking about a subsidized high standard of living for citizens--who may or may not even be working--propped up by an imported second-class labor force.

I don't think that most supporters of guest worker programs actually envision them working as promised; I think they anticipate substantial leakage from the program, rather than anticipating that we will, say, suddenly start discriminating against female immigrants.

Sorry to hijack the thread with talk relating to Ron Paul, but strain on social services and this possibility of gender discrimination could be ameliorated if we amended the Constitution to discontinue birthright citizenship for those whose parents aren't legal residents. And it would end the rallying cry of many activists who claim the current policy splits up families.

strain on social services and this possibility of gender discrimination could be ameliorated if we amended the Constitution to discontinue birthright citizenship for those whose parents aren't legal residents

I'm with you on this in that I just don't understand the idea behind this kind of birthright citizenship and I think it's a bad idea. But what kind of "strain" on the system would this eliminate, really? You don't have to be a citizen to get all the goodies, you just have to be here. And since we're not in the mood to kick anyone out....

Doesn't anyone else think that Kerry's analogy is stupid? Using buzzwords like bundling and decoupling doesn't make it any more apt. OEM citizenship comes with all the apps, but your guest workers are getting a shareware version; they can use the America demo, but don't have access to all the features? Should we have business versions and home versions?

Fun with a flawed analogy:

Citizenship is like coffee at Starbucks, with foreigners being the milk. Most people think that if you want more workers, you need to order a latte, but, if you had a guest worker program, it would be more like the foamed milk on top of the coffee, 'cause you could scrape it off later if you didn't want it. In Singapore, this works so well that it's like having a little ground cinnamon on top.

"Why are citizenship and working bundled?"

They aren't in the U.S. You can work here legally without being a citizen if you are a legal resident. We even have folks with permanent legal residency who aren't citizens (green card holders).

I'm with you on this in that I just don't understand the idea behind this kind of birthright citizenship and I think it's a bad idea. But what kind of "strain" on the system would this eliminate, really? You don't have to be a citizen to get all the goodies, you just have to be here. And since we're not in the mood to kick anyone out.

Well without the anchor babies, I think you'd see fewer women immigrating. This would mean fewer 1st generation children in schools, using hospital emergency rooms, getting in trouble, etc.

And we do kick people out, just not in proportion to how many illegal residents we have.

I'm not saying it's The Solution to illegal immigration, but it's something.

uneven labor market access is a major cause of global inequality.

True, but the inequality is often (usually?) a result of behavior in those countries. Post-colonial Africa nations often exerted great efforts to kick out their whites. Zimbabwe is currently doing so deliberately, while South Africa is on its way. Uganda and a few other African countries kicked out the Indians. 18th Century Russia kicked out its Jews, while 17th Century France drove out the Huguenots. All of these groups made up large portions of the enterprising classes in their repsective countries.

By letting immigrants come here, and then remit payments there, you are in essence rewarding those countries for their misbehavior.

Perhaps America doesn't need more Mexicans - it's far more likely that Mexico needs more Americans.


I am of the opinion that the positive externalities outweigh the negative ones, particularly when we consider, as I believe we should, the benefits to the migrants.

The major consideration - I would argue the ONLY one - is whether it's good for Americans. Using your logic a CEO could give away free stock in a publicly-traded company by arguing it was good for those who got the free stock.

"Programs sold on exaggerated promises, like the Medicare subscription drug benefit"

Last I saw the program was costing less than expecting and returning a > $2 for $1 in saved healthcare. Sounds like one of the few valuable programs out there.

"I am of the opinion that the positive externalities outweigh the negative ones, particularly when we consider, as I believe we should, the benefits to the migrants."

Ironic coming from a libertarian, no? Your argument here is exactly parallel to that in favor of forced income redistribution. As a previous commenter pointed out, it's like arguing for giving away stock in a corporation to random people because it would be good for the random people receiving free stock! Where the similiarity breaks down, however, is that this isn't a redistribution from rich to poor, it's a distribution from American poor to foreign poor. The rich are the primary beneficiaries, which explains why limousine libertarians like McCardle support it.

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