Does Ron Paul's fight for our most sacred constitutional rights really need to be defended with anatomical impossibilities and death wishes?
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Question for Ron Paul supporters
28 Feb 2008 05:47 pm
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I wish the baboon heart in my ear canal would die.
If you just wanted hits, well then, congratulations.
I'm sure though, that if you wrote something more substantial and analyzed Ron Paul's career in the 14th District and actually attempted to be fair... (instead of regurgitating a post from a DC gossip blog with an obvious liberal bias) then maybe so many people wouldn't be calling for your disembowelment.
It's easy to do that when you can hide behind an IP address.
But just to be fair, I'm still voting for Ron Paul. :)
Did you know Ron Paul is faster than a speeding bullet and can leap over tall buildings in a single bound?
It's true.
I think if wonkette let us post on her, the fury wouldn't be directed at people who just repost their "satire." Wonkette is just the epitome of hipster lameness. Like the Dead kennedys's holiday in cambodia types, or the Hipster Olympics types. Self-absorbed Williamsburg losers who care more about being trendy then the upcoming economoic implosion and nightmarish orwellian crackdown that will result.
I'm sure though, that if you wrote something more substantial and analyzed Ron Paul's career in the 14th District and actually attempted to be fair... (instead of regurgitating a post from a DC gossip blog with an obvious liberal bias) then maybe so many people wouldn't be calling for your disembowelment.
So sloppy journalism is grounds for death threats and profanity laden abuse? Is this some obscure liberterian principle? Or have the Ronulans learned from the Jihadis that death threats against the press actually work. Are we going to see other jihadi tactics adopted by the Ronulans in the future?
Classy... a good way to win hearts and minds. This kind of thing won't marginalize the Ronulans AT ALL! Nope...
I don't think I'm the only one getting a bit angry at the insults directed to those of us who support Ron Paul. Hey, enough already.
Yawn ...and waaaaa!
Been to the daiy kos ever. on any given day the same sorts of vitriol are launched with orgasmic glee.
if the skankette opened her forum to "anyone" the invectives would have found the deserved target.
You are getting your hits though... so ... you must be happy.
See, the question was death wishes, not threats. So in short I suppose the answer would be no? The death wish comes from those writing the articles then, that is if they believe the threats.
And the only ones threatening the press is the Government. Not to mention, Since Honest Abe had people thrown in jail and persecuted for writing against him, harassing the media is generally accepted, as is suspending and ignoring the Constitution, so, take your medicine. Sometimes ignorance isn't bliss apparently.
So sloppy journalism is grounds for death threats and profanity laden abuse?
You're a dork.
The benefit of this blog. Is there one? What are the benefits? I think you should study what the candidates are saying, engage your brain, not your bias, and inform yourself so you can independantly honestly comment on anything including Ron Paul.
What is wrong with the people who think everything is left and right, black and white, conservative and and liberal ? The world works in greys Megan. its all GREY. you need to go deeper than labels.
The benefit of voting for Ron Paul. Is there one?
@Earnest Iconoclast
wishing somebody a painful death is a not a threat, you moron.
Honey, you need to go out and buy a vibrator.
Don't you love how the Brownshirts in the rEVOLution love to shout down speech? Imagine if they were in charge. Good bye free speech.
If Paul supporters want to know why the press ignores paul, they should look in the mirror. Why would any journalist want to put up with this kind of crap. Paul's biggest failure is letting the grassroots run wild.
Ooh the ron paul people are fighting back....oooh brownshirts...ooooh.....ron paul is going to be president.....ooooh ....I better run out an get all my abortions before that happens.....how many can i get in before Ron Pual is president???.....ooooohhhhh.....i guess i'll have to find somebody stupid enough to have sex with me first.....oooooh....I better get on over to the wonkette and solicit a dweeb.....ooooohhh....bang me hard ....what's your major???.....
Look, there's no such thing as people who disagree with Ron Paul, there are simply subhumans who are not mentally developed enough to understand His ideas and active members of the ZOG trying to subvert Him
La ilaha illa Goldwater RonPaul Rasul Goldwater!!
Actually I'm tempted to agree with "enough already" and it should be clear I'm not a Paul supporter. I think his ideas were implausible at best and I think I compared his supporters to Lyndon LaRouche's.
However there's not much percentage in attacking LaRouche these days and there's not much point in attacking Paul either. He never won a single state, not one. He never did well in any primary. It is mathematically impossible for him to win and a "brokered convention" is extremely unlikely now. As a third-party candidate he'd do better than I expected, but it's unlikely he'd get more than 11%.
As a national figure or movement it's over. So beating up on him or his movement is no longer relevant.
The benefit of voting for Ron Paul. Is there one?
Knowing that you didn't vote for John Sidney McCain, Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, and/or Barack Hussein Obama.
I agree with Thomas R. What is Ron Paul thinking? He is a big follower of that whacky Thomas Jefferson. I mean, who the heck would want Mr. Jefferson as a President? Those drafters of the Constitution... hehe what a bunch of kooks.
Personally, I love the accusations that Megan did all this because she's desperate for hits. Because a journalist with a fan base that followed her to the Atlantic from her private blog really needs to invite ad hominem attacks. Riiight.
Why would Ron Paul's ideas be implausible? Because we are already so hopelessly overrun with communism, and the people love it?
Hmmm... When our forefathers declared independence from the Brits, they pledged "their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor". Megan, you need to brush up on your history as the answer to your question was to be found there.
What kind of frigging rock did you crawl out from under, you latte-lapping freak? Are you so naive to think that all Americans are sell-out whores like you? Surprise!!! There are some still left in this country with honor, character, intelligence, and enough tenacity to throw statist-sucking scumbags like you into the Hudson River.
The Revolution isn't just coming, its here. Scared?
Just keep laughing, Remember what Dr. Paul said--
--And one more thing I would like now to state on this day memorable perhaps not only for us Americans. I have often been a prophet in my life and was generally laughed at. During my struggle for power, the Neocons primarily received with laughter my prophecies that I would someday assume the leadership of the country and thereby of the entire nation and then, among many other things, achieve a solution of the Neocon problem. I suppose that meanwhile the laughter of Neocons in this country that resounded then is probably already choking in their throats.
Today I want to be a prophet again. If international finance Neocons within the NAU and abroad should succeed once more in plunging the peoples into a world war, then the consequence will be not the Liberalization of the world and therewith a victory of Neocons, but on the contrary, the destruction of the Neocons in this country.
-Ron Paul
The Constitution is pretty clear about the limits of the power of Federal government and there's nothing incredibly complex about the 10th amendment or Article 1, Section 8. Yet, in front of our eyes, the Federal government routinely is in violation of the law, and it has to come to an end immediately. And so to answer your question, a LOT of people understand this and how it effects them directly. When all these people read your articles I am sure a small percentage of them are so angry they see you as 'siding' with big gov (the law breakers).
So sloppy journalism is grounds for death threats and profanity laden abuse? Is this some obscure liberterian principle? Or have the Ronulans learned from the Jihadis that death threats against the press actually work. Are we going to see other jihadi tactics adopted by the Ronulans in the future?Classy... a good way to win hearts and minds. This kind of thing won't marginalize the Ronulans AT ALL! Nope...
If you focused on my whole comment, you'd realize that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek. The people who threaten free speech with violence detract from the message of freedom and play into the hands of the enemies who call for regulating our rights.
My point, which I will reiterate for you since you didn't understand it the first time, is that the reason why so many people responded with less-than-nice comments is that McArdle appeared to be just restating what was in a DC gossip blog -- and it's easy to maintain some semblance of anonymity on the internet. I was informing McArdle that she might have received a better response from Paulites if she appeared to be speaking of her own accord instead of regurgitating.
But aren't we all some form of holy crusader on the interwebz?
Heh.
Once you've seen freedom, it's hard to forget. Those of us who wish to be free, we see all this up & down for what it is. We'll persist through whatever and make it.
Megan,
For sure death wishes are not acceptable.
However, your posts and snide remarks which undermin e the good works of Ron Paul for liberty and freedom are without a doubt 9th grade level actions on your poor posts at best.
Perhaps you should use your ability to reason and put forth valid thoughts and discover the value of Ron Paul's run....
By the way if you took the time to read my post I urged you to improve your abilities. I have meet you in person and found you to be charming but your 9th grade level posts are not respectful towards a growing part of the population who sees Ron Paul as the best hope our nation has...
Why not review his meeting with the fed Chairman yesterday why not use 15% of your critical thought to undertand the value of our dollar is declining and no other person in the race offers a solution other then Ron Paul.
I will check one more post from you in the future and if I find it teh resemble the same old replies then I will send a letter to the editor and that oes not improve your abilities I will then present a press release to oppose the atlantic.
In the end Megan just do your job and stop acting like a kid who is mad at Ron Paul.
I agree with Thomas R. What is Ron Paul thinking? He is a big follower of that whacky Thomas Jefferson. I mean, who the heck would want Mr. Jefferson as a President? Those drafters of the Constitution... hehe what a bunch of kooks.
Posted by Eric Nordstrom
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Eric: If you are going to be a Ron Paul cultist, you might as well learn that Jefferson was in Paris during the Constitutional convention. Madison, among others, is who you should be worshipping. Didn't you get the memo?
Yeah, and ALL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS ALSO THINK THAT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. Get a life. You guys in the media have already accomplished what you set out for - denying American people the only hope they had. So, lay off and let the inevitable R3volution continue...
However, your posts and snide remarks which undermin e the good works of Ron Paul for liberty and freedom are without a doubt 9th grade level actions on your poor posts at best.
See, that sounds reasonable, until you look over what the majority of Paul supporters say and do. That's when you quickly realize that 90% of them are acting like a claque of 9th graders themselves, and treating Paul as the popular kid who is running for Student Council president.
That, in turn, comes with a whole fertilizer load's worth of vaguely narcissistic sophistry about liberty, rights, and virtue expressed in a form that oscilllates wildly between the impassioned and sincere tones of a C+ freshman Language Arts arguing essay and the viscious gossip of a high school cheerleading squad. The former efforts are just weak on account of all the Internet conspiracy theory rhetoric, and the latter makes it clear those who speak of this alleged liberty, rights, and virtue do not understand just how much they have of the first, would be dangerous if entrusted with any more of the second, and have no accurate conception of what the third looks like, even if it walked up and slapped them across the face with an old wet fish.
This is why Paul's campaign was on the rocks before the notion ever entered into his head, and it is why his followers get exactly as much respect as they deserve: His primary support base comes from the right-wing equivalent of the Democratic Underground.
You know, I never got an answer to this one question (and I don't think I ever will), but here goes.
In 2004, we as a nation elected a Democratic Congress (not a lot of small-government types), and re-elected a stupid/evil-mastermind president who led/misled/lied us into a war/genocide/pigeon shoot in the Mideast.
You might say that Ron Paul is the only one who really represents the intent of our founders (some say he conjures the spirit of J.S. Mill with chicken blood and fish legs), but does he represent the views of America?
Oh right, I forgot. Their idea of freedom is everyone agreeing with them.
@ Odin's Beard
Nobody is answering you because nobody knows what the fu** you are talking about. Make some sense ..get some answers.
I guess this is a rhetorical question. Because if it's an honest question, then you are not so bright.
So what is the point? Try being someone who was against the Iraq before it started. You wanna talk about threats and things, you need to take a bigger look.
Because news flash. There are dumb people. You can try to label them as such and such group all you want, but that just makes you one of the dumb people. They belong to all parties, support all different things.
However, here's another rhetorical question in reply. Do people really need to focus in on a small percentage of people in order to paint and label and entire group of people as such? Will certain people ever actually try to debate things logically, or will people like yourself continue to focus on anything but the issues?
Do you even realize that when you label as such, you are doing the same thing racist people do over race? It's the same concept, just different flavor/excuse. And as a Ron Paul supporter, I'll say that many people who support Ron Paul are no different. But it's a matter of who you want to focus and give attention to. Someone who responds and debates logically, or someone who acts like a 5yr old who didn't get his way. It looks to me as if you've chosen the later, but now that it's obvious maybe that can change.
Let's see if I get this right. You cut & paste from a viciously dishonest screed that calls Ron Paul a "blame America first whore", (typical lie) then you get bent out of shape because RP supporters get a little goofy?
Do you really think this is about who is winning the "horse race"? Is Ron Paul a 'double failure'? This man is a true and total Champion, because he is fighting for the RIGHT CAUSE. The fact that he is doing it against tremendous odds in a totally rigged system does not make him a 'failure'; it makes him, win or lose, an even greater Champion. And you don't even get that.
Really it is sad that so many pseudo-jouralists, pseudo-intellectuals and pseudo-experts cannot even discuss the issues. Just on 'conservative talk radio', we have frauds like Hannity and Limbaugh reveal their fradulence by their hate flatulence against a REAL Champion of Liberty, a number of local radio buffoons who scream and holler that RP is a 'kook', etc. What could be more 'kook' than the ranting, raving, yelling and shouting of their buddies Levin or Savage? Who could be more insane than the pathetic McCain that they have given us, while pretending not to?
RP discusses the issues, yeah, THE issues that everyone else is hiding from. And you don't. They censor him. At least you mention him, thank you, but you are pathetically out of tune with reality.
I found the 'death wishes' to be highly amusing, and you are in no position, you hypocrite, to complain. What you advocate, more Big Brother, is tantamount to a death wish on all decent, honest people. I also was highly amused that you whine like the 'multiple failure' loser you are, when you get a dose of your own medicine.
I don't wish death on you. The Ron Paul Liberty Revolution has started. How long it will take is unknown, but sooner or later, we the honest, decent and intelligent people, the people who support Ron Paul, will win. And you deserve to wake up every morning, hating happy people and being powerless to do anything about it, swimming in your own venom.
Megan is a vagina...just grab your latte, sweetheart, and vote for whichever CFR member you choose while chanting for change. Blah, blah, blah! You are blind and a product of pop-culture & neocons! Congratulations on your ignorance.
Fite Iliteracy,
PittsburghWomyn
Yo, anony-mouse:
Nice smear job, all lies. Try to get at least one or two facts before you flatulate in public again.
Let me ask you something here. Why do you struggle so hard to enslave yourself?
Didn't think about that, did you.
Ross Perot went on and on in the early nineties about NAFTA. Talked about how many jobs it was going to cost us. Used the phrase "big suckking sound". Bush senior and Bill Clinton with the help of Carville and Begalla and the MSM, no internet then, called him a kook and nut and a conspiracey theorist. Welll guess who was at the debate the other night in Cleveland talking about renegotiating NAFTA or else she would withdraw. Who is on the campaign trail everyday ranting about how awful NAFTA is (that would be Barack). Okay? Was it necessary for thousands of folks to loose their jobs. Thousands of American families put out to pasture? No. The partisans are to blame. It's "useful idiots" like this columnist and skankett. Why you want to smear the only people who step up to the plate to tell the truth? Why don't you have a look at far the dollar has dropped in the last few months? Why won't you consider recalling all of our troops as a real solution to many of our problems, financial and otherwise.
Ross Perot went on and on in the early nineties about NAFTA. Talked about how many jobs it was going to cost us. Used the phrase "big suckking sound". Bush senior and Bill Clinton with the help of Carville and Begalla and the MSM, no internet then, called him a kook and nut and a conspiracey theorist. Welll guess who was at the debate the other night in Cleveland talking about renegotiating NAFTA or else she would withdraw. Who is on the campaign trail everyday ranting about how awful NAFTA is (that would be Barack). Okay? Was it necessary for thousands of folks to lose their jobs. Thousands of American families put out to pasture? No. The partisans are to blame. It's "useful idiots" like this columnist and skankett. Why you want to smear the only people who step up to the plate to tell the truth? Why don't you have a look at far the dollar has dropped in the last few months? Why won't you consider recalling all of our troops as a real solution to many of our problems, financial and otherwise.
Megan,
You see you just don't understand Paul enough because you can't concentrate. But don't worry. The rEVOLution will have special camps to help people learn to concentrate.. they will be called... well, you figure it out...
Now back to reality. I wonder if all the Paul cult realizes that Megan can see the IP address of every single poster?
I wonder if Megan realizes we can see through her fear.
@Odin's Beard,
Yes, he does! But most people don't hear him, because the message is edited to non-existence and spun straight to kooky. For the true Americans do not trust the media to do their homework for them.
Some even say we live in a democracy. The ignorance in that is most people don't even understand that this is a grammatically incorrect statement. The educated know that we the people, in fact, live in a Constitutional Republic.
Fite Iliteracy,
PittsburghWomyn
Damn. There are a lot of people out there who are a lot more opposed to the cause of liberty than Megan. I do think her initial comment was a little misinformed--My understanding is Paul gets earmarks for his district put into spending bills that he eventually votes against. Which, given the Feds are going to going to tax the people in his district in any case, doesn't seem inconsistent, and serves the interests of his district.
But jesus christ, calm down people. The battle is not about Ron Paul, it's about persuading people to join the cause of liberty. He's not going to be president, but his presidential campaign (and his continued presence in Congress) still helps spread the message, which is far more important. Vicious ad hominems against someone who mis-characterizes Ron Paul's congressional record don't help anything.
Everyone calm down and remember the quotes of our leader.
All great movements are popular movements. They are the volcanic eruptions of human passions and emotions, stirred into activity by the ruthless Goddess of Distress or by the torch of the spoken word cast into the midst of the people.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.
As soon as by one's own message even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid.
All message has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
Generals think war should be waged like the tourneys of the Middle Ages. I have no use for knights; I need revolutionaries.
He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.
Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be "discovered" by an election.
The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others.
- Ron Paul
The secret that will change the whole dynamic of this race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQfFDPYMJvk
That's right! Victory!
The revolution will be permanent!
@mtc
Let's also not forget that this "Pork" spending is less than 1% of the annual budget! I can hear the neocons whispering, "quick, create a diversion"! This is chump change compared to the real waste in Washington!!!
PittsburghWomyn
What's the "anatomical impossibility" Megan was referring to? Gah clearly I'm uninformed. I'm also highly unlikely to be answered on this thread, aren't I.
"I mean, who the heck would want Mr. Jefferson as a President?"
I wouldn't. Do you know much about the Jefferson Presidency? His Embargo hurt the economy and was mocked in a book by a then thirteen-year-old poet who later wrote "Thanatopsis." He manipulated the American Indians in a variety of ways. He was viciously anti-clerical and a radical. Bordering on being a Jacobin. True he lowered the debt and ended the slave trade, but his Presidency was far from great.
As ever, a snide comment elicits a vitriolic and hateful response in self-defense of loyalty to a particular world-view. If the 'true-believer' is openly and publicly taunted rather than judiciously criticized, the result is escalated hate. But then, deliberately taunting the 'true-believer' seems to be too eerily similar to the impervious adolescents who recently taunted that tiger into leaping out of the cage and then they quickly fled, so surprised, as the beast mauled the tormenters to death.
Mr. Paul's candidacy is dead, and the philosophy of libertarianism is the worse for his extremism. What survives Mr. Paul is freedom as an ideology (Rousseau, Napoleon, neo-cons?)instead of freedom as a philosophy, and ideology/theology is the red raw meat to all true-believing ideo/theologues.
Why, Megan, taunt the beast?
Unfortunately, Ron Paul's good ideas are lost behind the flood of idiotic statements made by his nutty followers (and his own nutty ideas).
The Ron Paul Revolution is going to sputter out and die.
The "Ron Paul Revolution" will continue.
Aside from the numerous Ron Paul candidates that are running, many MeetUp groups are going to continue the battle to restore constitutional government and liberty for all.
"Aside from the numerous Ron Paul candidates that are running"
Could you name some of these? Are any of them running for something greater than say "Mayor of Houlton, Maine"?
The answer to your questionm is easy ........
"irrationality breeds irrationality"
What you need to realize is that this is NOT about RP. He is the messenger for a bigger cause. He has helped open eyes to the tyranny that is the federal government. The founders NEVER intended on a nation where its people paid nearly half of everything they made to the federal government. But this movement will keep going after RP.
Oh, and yes, some RP supporters are crazy and will antagonize you. But a lot of us are calm, mild tempered people. So I appologize for the behavior of a few but dont rationalize the actions of a few to be the actions of an entire group.
PS. Thats like saying that all democrats are uneducated on the issues. Most are idealist who want to provide a certain lifestype for all. But "We the People" cannot afford to provide this for everyone. Plus, if you look at history, Free Markets have always provided the essentials better than ANY federal government. That is why Socialism, Communism and Fascism DO NOT WORK. So I have a question for all of you now: Why are we headed in this direction when (history tells us)all it leads to is bankruptcy and mutiny?
Lincoln said it best, "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedom, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Jefferson also said this, "I predict the happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
Our founders were brilliant and our constitution is perfect. Why are we moving away from what our founders setup. We prospered for so long under this doctrine, why throw it out the window?
Of course there's also the point that some number of posts on "mainstream" blogs by supposed Ron Paul supporters are almost certainly "false flag" operations intended to discredit him. This is easily deducible if you spend time on libertarian boards and blogs (i.e., places where the vast majority of readers are already familiar with RP's actual positions, even if they don't agree with them, and thus can't be preyed upon by fakes) and compare the generally respectful tone of RP supporters there with the tone on boards where most readers never heard of RP prior to this election cycle and have only a rough second-hand awareness of what he stands for.
Go Ron Paul!
I was informing McArdle that she might have received a better response from Paulites if she appeared to be speaking of her own accord instead of regurgitating.
Yes, because the response to her discussion of tax policy was so civilized and sensible.
I notice that Ron Paul supporters don't seem to feel bound by the statement just below the input field, "By using this service you agree not to post material that is obscene, harassing, defamatory, or otherwise objectionable", and so on. I thought libertarians respected property rights, including the right of the Atlantic to keep its comment sections from degenerating into moral swamps. Apparently I thought wrong.
Wah wah wah, Ron Paul supporters are big meanies!! Give me a break, the Ron Paul haters I've come across online over the past 6 or 7 months since I've been following the guy have been some of the rudest, disrespectful, vile, hateful people I've ever had the displeasure of encountering in my entire life. For this idiot to attempt to make it seem as if Ron Paul supporters are a bunch of deadly fanatics is mind numbingly retarded. That's fine if you want to believe our job is to police the world and if you want to believe we can afford to do it forever, but don't try to further tarnish the image of a good person like Ron Paul, and the majority of the stable, intelligent people who support him and his message by painting us as a bunch of bloodthirsty maniacs.
I've been fairly rude and disrespectful to Paulogists, but I don't think I've swore at them and told them to die. If the people who say that kind of thing are "false flags" than you have my sympathy.
Still the zeal Paul supporters have, even when they've not been attacked at all, is a bit difficult for many of us to understand. I can't think of it being directed at anyone as old and not conventionally charismatic as him. I'm not sure what issues he's doing now that are so much more compelling than his 1988 run. So possibly we don't know what to make of you, especially now that Paul's losing the nomination is assured, and that makes us too snide.
Although the wackos who curse and threaten people deserve the snideness.
One of my problems with Ron Paul is that he seems to want to have his cake and eat it too. Isn't it now mathematically impossible for him (or anyone else except McCain) to win the Republican nomination? If so, why hasn't he dropped out and endorsed McCain in the name of party unity? If you say that he doesn't care about party unity, because he's not really a member of the Republican Party, then why did he run in the Republican primaries?
I am with Lisa on this one, Baby you need some good lovin, alone or with a partner or whatever casts your line. The irony is Lisa is my Ex wife's name. LOL and at the end we couldn't agree that night was night and day was day, She supports Ron Paul aswell, The Love Pantry will fill your need, Smile there is more time than life.
Ron Paul for president = FREEDOM
Clinton/Obama = despotism
Ron Paul for president = FREEDOM
Clinton/Obama for president = despotism
Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech. You're free to speak. You're free to be replied to. There's no law against writing or opening your mouth - and there is no law against response, even if they are extreme. So it is, so it was, so it comes to pass.
I understand why some of us are so aggresive in our defense of Ron Paul. I feel the same way. We have seen the media marginalize something we have all come to believe in, and that's Ron Paul's message. We are so amazed that everybody doesn't agree with us that we let our frustration take over and we blurt things out that we most likely later regret.
The real question should be, "Why are Ron Paul supporters so passionate?" I believe that he has struck a chord sleeping deep within Americans. It's something that some of us thought we, as a nation, might have lost forever. Ron Paul has awakened hundreds of thousands of people and given them a measuring stick to judge their government by. He is something that many think doesn't exist... an honest politician, and while they continue to look for that perfect "Harrison Ford" candidate, some of us have found him. He's a libritarian-minded Republican candidate from Texas who might have had better success if he'd been one of the nation's founders rather than arguing before the corrupt congress of the 21st century.
But his timing actually couldn't be better. He picked now to surface nationally and argue for a return to our founding principles, and if you look at the real "big picture", now is when we need it most.
That's why we freak out. Some of us have come to the realization that Dr. Paul has the answers, but we see people watching CNN or MSNBC or Fox to get their candidate info, and we understand that they're not getting the whole story.
Who is as excited about their candidate as Ron Paul supporters are? Even now, we are second to none. That wins us the title of "Tin Hat Brigade" and similar titles, but the truth is that we want our country back, and even truer is that we are willing to fight for it. Non-violently, of course.
It's the first time I visited this blog. The link came up in a google alert... for a phrase unrelated to politics. I'm a political informed person and quite interested in what others think about the candidates in the primary race but geez, there's no insight or wisdom to be found here. I won't be returning to read more, at election time or any other time in the next millenium. It's my opinion that trash troll blogs like this degrade the sanctity of the internet. It's just been added to the top of my most recent "plan to ignore" list.
I guess some people will just do anything for a bit of attention these days...such a pity when so much potential is wasted. That's the part I never understand. How people can waste something so wonderful as bandwidth!
Someone asked what other ron paul types are running. Here's a few of the better known ones.
Morray Sabrin for senate, new jersey
Jim Forsythe for congress, new hampshire
Dean Santoro for congress, florida
Brent Sanders for congress, louisiana
Ted Terbolizard for congress, california (I know, his name is funny)
There are many, many more, but those are the most prominent.
check out websites like ron paul congress, ron pauls across america, ron paul ambassadors
In the end, Americans get the government they deserve, which is to say they deserve a government that lies to them, robs them blind, cheats them out of all of their constitutional rights and makes them the target of the worlds hatred. It'll be a pleasure to watch them all flop around and die like fish out of water when the government they voted for crashes the economy in a spectacular fashion, perhaps when they're paying $5+ for a gallon of gas (in a few months) they'll take their heads out of their collective @sses and realize Dr. Paul was the only one talking sense, unfortunately for them it will be too late...
REVOLution Brownshirts? LOL. That's oxymoronic...
The thought that the only pro free speech candidate would end free speech is simply moronic.
"Does Ron Paul's fight for our most sacred constitutional rights really need to be defended with anatomical impossibilities and death wishes?"
My answer would be generally no. However, one could make a decent argument as to why Ron Paul supporters should use death threats. If it is OK to threaten Iraq and Iran to preserve our "way of life" so they cannot destroy "our freedoms." Then yes, one could say we need to defend our constitutional rights with death wishes. I hope the "Ron Paul Revolution" doesn't become the Revolutionary War. But anything is possible. Lets just hope our broken democracy can still function on some level so that Americans don't use violence in order to bring positive change.
Dr Weevil said on February 29, 2008 at 10:04 PM:
"...why hasn't he dropped out and endorsed McCain in the name of party unity? If you say that he doesn't care about party unity, because he's not really a member of the Republican Party, then why did he run in the Republican primaries?"
I don't know who you're quoting there, but it's wrong. Ron Paul emphatically states that he IS a Republican. He says the Party has lost it's way and no longer represents Republican ideals. Why should he endorse, for the sake of "unity" a candidate that is not a true Republican?
You don't know who I'm quoting? I'm obviously not quoting anyone, otherwise I'd have used quotation marks. I'm paraphrasing a possible objection. And I still think it's unethical to run in the Republican primary if you don't plan on endorsing the Republican candidate in the event that you lose.
Dude! Screw Ron Paul, I want Turbo Lizard for President now!
It is incredible that a few obnoxious Ron Paul supporters grab more attention than the POLICIES embraced by the other candidates, which have literally caused thousands of American deaths.
Unable to find any substantive fault with the man, or the lost liberties he is fighting for, it is a few of his supporters that are attacked in the message's stead. Pathetic.
Abortion - America's accepted holocaust.
Dr. Weevil,
Do you have no moral qualms with the other candidates pretending to be Republicans while embracing endless war, ignoring their own culpability in outspending Democrats, presiding over the biggest growth in government in history, and in short, chasing the Democrats to the left at full speed?
How could any self-respecting Republican endorse such policies, or their standard-bearers?
To pretend there is anything unethical about not standing hand-in-hand with assorted despots and unapologetic war-mongers who think government exists to legislate their prejudices and stroke their egos would be humorous if weren't so awfully sad.
Thanks Dave. I don't agree with Ron Paul, but it's good to get an answer on this question. It'll be interesting to see if this becomes a meaningful political movement or just an obsession for Netizens. My money's still on "obsession", but I'll look for these names and such.
Do false dillemas really have to be presented to trash people that actually give a damn about this country?
Enjoy the hooligan you elect for president, you utterly deserve what is comming down the pike. I don't, but I'm going to get the same punishment all you are going to get. You uneducated morons that don't pay attention to anything except your tiny little immediate lives and the (R) and (D) at the end of a candidates name - but only if they are on TeeVee 24x7.
You people, just simply do not understand the position the United States is in. We are in a banking crisis that is currently developing, and whatever it happens, it's going to be bad. Either massive inflation or actual deflation. It entirely depends on what the Federal Reserve decides to do. If they inflate, commodities are going to skyrocket, and that includes food and energy, if they deflate, massive unemployment. My guess is inflation, because that will hurt the most number of people and allow those that know it's about to happen to profit enormously from it.
Meanwhile, we'll continue to tax and spend until Military Keynesianism follows it's final conclusion of absolute bankruptcy of the nation.
You stupid fools. Don't say we didn't try to warn you. You foolish idiots. We had the last chance in this election cycle, but you're going to get what's comming to you. We all will.
Jeremy
You're absolutely right. We should be defending our Constitution and what it stands for with death wishes. These are our rights as citizens of the United States and as human beings that is at stake!
There are many in the rEVOLution that oppose violence. While I admire your ideas, I believe that they are getting us nowhere. Some form of aggression against the current system must be made. When it came to civil rights and equality for all people MLK Jr. organized sit ins at whites only restaurants so that people of color would have the right to sit in them. This is civil disobedience. How do we protest our government for the rights we want back this time? Unfortunately, the rights we want are lost to all people of this nation, many of which don't even realize how important they are; the right of free speech (yes, it's not really free speech anymore), the right to keep and bear arms, the right to petition for writs of Habeas Corpus, the right to trial by jury, the right to due process, the rights of states, etc. At this point, any American the President or the Department of Justice declares a terrorist is a terrorist just because they said so and there's no way for you to prevent this.
There's a saying that goes something like this:
From the soap box, to the ballot box, to the jury box, to the cartridge boxes.
Big media have taken our soap box.
The corrupt elections and paperless ballots e-ballots have taken the ballot boxes.
The PATRIOT Act, Military Commissions Act of 2006, and the Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 have taken our Jury boxes.
I think we need to begin collecting arms and munitions before they come for the cartridge boxes.
"Enjoy the hooligan you elect for president, you utterly deserve what is comming down the pike."
"You stupid fools. Don't say we didn't try to warn you. You foolish idiots. We had the last chance in this election cycle, but you're going to get what's comming to you."
This kind of respect for people who disagree with you and concern for America's future is truly touching. It reminds me of
"These days U.S. neo-conservatives vied with each other in making nonsensical talks overnight."
"U.S. neo-conservatives are letting loose a string of balderdash"
"neo-conservative forces' ballyhoo that the "world has become peaceful" is aimed to calm down the international public critical of the U.S. war of aggression and its policy of military presence in Iraq"
"Bankruptcy of U.S. Policy of Hegemony and 'Anti-Terrorist Strategy'"
"the true colors of the U.S. as a rogue state made up of hooligans"
"such ignorant and rude political hooligans"
"These hooligans committed such inhuman crimes in broad daylight"
"This goes to prove that the Bush group is one of hooligans bereft of any normal thinking power"
"The Iraqi war started by the U.S. imperialists suggests that they, the worst hooligans in the world"
"U.S. senator John Mccain and others of the U.S. ruling quarters"
http://www.nk-news.net/results.php?searchString=hooligans&booleanType=OR&startMonth=01&startYear=1996&endMonth=12&endYear=2008&inputLanguage=english&outputFormat=list&searchType=simple&dateSort=newest¤tPage=1&newSearch=yes&submitButtonName=%A0%A0%A0EXECUTE%A0%A0%A0
Sorry, but what you said goes beyond politics and was almost cultish. You can't just smash people for not going with your messi-message. America will survive just fine without Paul as President or VP.
Woops those links came out crazy looking. Feel free to delete them. It was all from North Korean news.
> Sorry, but what you said goes beyond politics and
> was almost cultish.
Call it whatever you wish to call it.
Sit back, and watch what happens. You don't have any choice anyhow. Just watch.
I mean, the utter stupidity of the average American still continues to amaze me. You DO realize that if you continue to increase your debt, that at some point, you lose all your possessions. Right? There's no international bankruptcy court. You do know what happens whena nation goes bankrupt right? All of it's assets are bought up in the devalued currency of the nation, on the cheap. You saw this happen in both the USSR and Argentina.
I mean, do you have any clue, at all, about the financial condition of the United States? Any possible conception of what it means? It's blindly obvious what the eventual outcome is, the only question is when.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html
Do you bother to do BASIC research before voting? McCain is a member of the Keating 5. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war, she voted for the Miltitary Commissions Act, she voted for the Patriot Act, she's expressed support for attacking Iran. Obama claims he never voted for the war in Iraq, of course he didn't, he wasn't even in the senate at the time at the Federal level, he couldn't - he's willing to pre-emptively attack Iran, he's said so.
I'm just utterly disgusted at what a bunch of easily controlled morons you are. If you couldn't vote for a Republican, why not Gravel? He read in the Pentagon Papers, risking arrest, demonstrating the lies that brought us into war with Vietnam. He's a true damned hero.
And look at what we have AGAIN, for our selection for president:
* A member of the keating 5
* A woman who voted for every freaking Bush policy
* A token black man that has no record, but has some pretty scary statements on record.
You're FUCKING MORONS. How else can I say it?
Did you even bother to spend over an hour making a decision on how to vote? Do you know anything WHATSOEVER about macroeconomics?
Is the United States *really* this freaking retarded such that they will only vote for people the "media" promotes?
This is the SAME MEDIA that lied us into the war, that denied the housing bubble past 2005, that urged us to buy in to the stockmarket on every little runup from 2000 to 2002.
How fucking dumb are you you vote for yet another goddamn Neocon? That's going to be your "choice". Clinton is a Neocon, McCain is NOW a Neocon, and Obama is a Neocon.
I'm just amazed that this country is filled with people this stupid. It's amazing to me. Before you, in front of you, right now, is the most powerful research tool ever invented by mankind. With it you can research history, records, voting patterns, statements, talk to people across the world, read economics, see how the Soviet Union fell, how Argentina went bankrupt, why the Roman Empire collapsed, why the British Empire died.
And you don't!
You don't! You use the most powerful communication tool ever seen on the planet earth for WHAT? Nothing!
God your so fucking dumb.
God, you think *I* am a member of a cult. No - YOU are. You don't have a single clue what the hell is going on, and even worse, you have no interest in what is going on.
When the collapse happens, and it will certainly happen, you'll suddenly have an interest in what is going on. Since it's impossible to prevent the collapse because of lazy morons that don't practice their responsibility of being a citizen and doing thier due diligence before choosing the leaders of this country, we don't have any real leaders, we don't have a democracy. You lazy worthless fucks have hanged us all.
Sound paranoid, crazy, cultist?
Just sit down and watch. Please, PLEASE remember this. I want you to realize you have dug your own grave, and the grave of 300 million Americans. You have dug the grave of your children, your parents, and your friends.
Remember this message. I don't know how much time we've got left, but I do know the inevitable outcome of deficit spending. It's the same in every nation. Our credit is being cut off now, so now it's a decision of the Federal reserve. Either they will raise rates killing out tiny economy, of they will lower rates, impovershing the working class. Neither outcome is going to be pleasant.
Stupid idiots. You don't think actual serious economic and foreign policy was important, you'll realize just how vital it was, probably soon.
The confrontational, fanatical element of Ron Paul supporters (not a majority of them... not all of them... but a very vocal portion of them) was a factor in my not supporting his campaign as much as it probably deserved. These Ron Paul supporters, many of which seem inclined to post on this blog, make me cringe when I'm lumped into a group with them.
I might disagree with you on some points, Megan, but you has the right to express her opinion. Should I disagree with you, I can respond with intelligent agruments. I can post a counter-point on my own webspace. I can (and this is where some of these Ron Paul supporters fail) just ignore the post if it is obviously meant to rile me up. I might think that you've been unfair, but I can't be particularly angry with you as you've been harassed and threatened since you posted your disagreement.
Maybe next time around, the Constitutional candidate will disassociate him or herself from the conspiracy theorists and internet bullies.
The confrontational, fanatical element of Ron Paul supporters (not a majority of them... not all of them... but a very vocal portion of them) was a factor in my not supporting his campaign as much as it probably deserved. These Ron Paul supporters, many of which seem inclined to post on this blog, make me cringe when I'm lumped into a group with them.
I might disagree with you on some points, Megan, but you has the right to express her opinion. Should I disagree with you, I can respond with intelligent agruments. I can post a counter-point on my own webspace. I can (and this is where some of these Ron Paul supporters fail) just ignore the post if it is obviously meant to rile me up. I might think that you've been unfair, but I can't be particularly angry with you as you've been harassed and threatened since you posted your disagreement.
Maybe next time around, the Constitutional candidate will disassociate him or herself from the conspiracy theorists and internet bullies.
> The confrontational, fanatical element of Ron Paul
> supporters (not a majority of them... not all of
> them... but a very vocal portion of them) was a
> factor in my not supporting his campaign as much
> as it probably deserved. These Ron Paul
> supporters, many of which seem inclined to post
> on this blog, make me cringe when I'm lumped into
> a group with them.
What utter tripe.
There is a fundamental change going on, and it's urgent. Let me tell you a few things that ought to be reported in the media, that isn't.
Commodities are going to skyrocket, this doesn't just include gold and silver, but food and gasolene. You may think they have skyrocketed already, but they are just starting.
There is going to be what looks like massive investment of foreigners into US corporations. This isn't investment, this is foreign dollar holders trying to park their cash into something that retains values - and that isn't treasury bills.
Wha
I wish the baboon heart in my ear canal would die.
Posted by YY | February 28, 2008 5:57 PM