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Hillary's VP claim: how should Obama respond?

11 Mar 2008 02:25 pm

Tyler Cowen thinks that Obama's proclamation that "I'm no VP" is a bad political move, because it frames the debate around the question of whether he could be VP. Framing effects are real, but I think their effect is overstated in political races. You can shift the focus of the debate to some extent, but voters are not actually completely stupid. The Democratic attempt to reframe tax hikes as "user fees" or "investments" or what have you died on the vine because they came up against a hard reality: most people don't want to let go of any more of their paychecks. This remains true whether they're paying taxes, keeping up their membership in the vast green country club that is America, or getting in on the national health care IPO.

Hillary was trying to tell voters that they might be able to have their cake and eat it too, a not unattractive proposition. I see Obama as doing the equivalent of throwing the steering wheel out the window. Now we see whose voters run off the road first.

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Last year I was having dinner with a teacher of mine and my teacher was talking about the upcoming NH Primary and her initial thoughts. She liked both Obama and Hillary but thought that Obama might not be ready but would make a good VP. This is the kind of logic Hillary's "VP" strategy is trying to induce. She's hoping that the sort of voter who wants some sort of unity picks her because the voter will think they'll be getting both of them together as Co-Presidents. This is a good strategy as the average voter doesn't really understand the VP selection process and how much less powerful it is than the Presidency.

Another question is how credible Obama is. If Hillary pulls it out, will Obama really say, "screw you guys, I'm going home"?

If anything, Obama should have shot it down in even more forceful terms, and buried the idea for good.

Can people stop spinning spin as "framing"?

Throwing the steering wheel out the window? More like Sun Tzu's burning the ships that brought the troops to do battle. Or at least an effort to do so--he wasn't as emphatic as he might have been.

Another question is how credible Obama is. If Hillary pulls it out, will Obama really say, "screw you guys, I'm going home"?

Quite likely, I think. If he takes VP and then Clinton/Obama lose the general, it tarnishes him for a future run at the same time as it destroys any 'outsider' credibility he has. If they win, he becomes Gore, saddled with defending the Clinton legacy when he runs 4 or 8 years down the road.

If Hilary pulls it out, his strategy will probably be to stay in the Senate building experience and contacts for another run. If she wins, he could even challenge her again in the 2012 primary once Clinton fatigue has built up to even more toxic levels.

I'm fine with him standing by his words. I want this race to be a clear distinction between the two and yes, I realise that for many they are close in position. They're not in character though, and that is where he needs to stick.

To a great extent the Presidency is a bully pulpit and I'm just not ready to have to choose the lesser of two slimeballs, yet again. She has way more to lose than Obama. Fine. He'll be just fine whether he wins or loses, without her.

What's the big deal? He's the front runner. He's basically telling her to go pound sand.

There's two ways to be vice president, and it's totally up to the president which one happens. There's the Lyndon Johnson vice presidency, where JFK basically told LBJ "thanks for balancing the ticket, now go hide in a box for four years". It was this kind of experience that led John Nance Garner to describe the vice presidency as "not worth a bucket of warm piss".

Then there's the Clinton-Gore or Bush/Cheney model, where the vice president has significant power and is equivalent to a major cabinet secretary.

Given that Hillary Clinton has a history of being unwilling or unable to open up her circle of close colleagues, and given the Clinton's visceral anger at Obama for trying to take the nomination that was "owed" them, I'd expect Obama to be offered the LBJ model of the vice presidency. I think he'd be crazy to take the offer, even if HRC does get the nomination. (No harm throwing the steering wheel out the window if you don't want to got there...)

Another question is how credible Obama is. If Hillary pulls it out, will Obama really say, "screw you guys, I'm going home"?

I think he will, and I think he'd be smart to do so. My gut feeling is that Hillary would lose to McCain, and I think the polls support that idea. McCain's too old to run again in 2012, though, so Obama would be in a great position to sweep the nomination and the election both. He'd probably win if he ran this year, too, of course. But he's got nothing to gain from playing second fiddle to Hillary.


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