MSNBC says "It was a really good night for Hillary Clinton . . . it was enough. Enough to keep going."
This seems like a fairly inventive new use of "really good".
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"Enough to keep going." Kind of like the Surge? No victory, no closer to victory...but just enough success to keep going.
Megan, what's your position on A&F t-shirts?
I'll give my unasked-for opinion... people who wear A&F are, 99% of the time, utter douchebags.
Well I like how the goal posts get moved constantly. If we remember back, Ms. Clinton was leading by 20% or more and the general idea was that Obama just needed to bring that number down. He was never expected to win.
But now, with a 10% differential, suddenly that is some kind of mandate. Not that I think she should quit. Any candidate should have the right to continue and let their own wisdom or lack thereof guide them on when to step out. I imagine she will go deep into debt to continue her effort.
But given the numbers, you have to conclude that either 1) she is hoping Obama will make mistakes or dirt can be found and if that fails 2) that the superdelegates step in and give her the nomination.
And while the superdelegates exist for that type of "command decision," it is a decision that comes at the expense of black voters in particular.
You end up with uncomfortable coin flips like "Well are women and older whites more, or less, important than black voters?" That is the bottom line question in all of this, because Hillary can't catch up on pure numbers.
And many supporters of Senator Clinton seem to be making the argument that blacks should be dismissed by virtue of their sheeplike support for Obama. In other words, the black vote is less serious, less valuable in these matters.
Oh yea, and when running for president and in blue collar places, have a team of guys with bats handy to yank A&F wearing happy faces out of the picture frame.
Dear Lord,
I humbly beseech you to take the life of Satan's servant Hillary Clinton, in whatever manner thy, in thy infinite wisdom and compassion, deem fit, and send her on her way to her eternal punishment.
It was a very good night. He's the frontrunner, outspent her by a ton, and he still lost by a pretty big margin. You can say that he wasn't supposed to win, but that's just question-begging. Why not? Why can't he get rural Democratic voters to vote for him , ever? Or older voters, or poorer white voters, or voters without college degrees? You can't help but wonder whether some of these Democrats would vote for McCain in the general.
What is an A&F tee shirt?
-dk
Dick King: What is an A&F tee shirt?
The best I could come up with was 'Armed & Female', which didn't seem to fit. Further reading suggests it's 'Abercrombie & Fitch'.
There needs to be an loldemocrats webpage. Hell there probably is.
This was a REALLY good night for ABC News and its parents, the Walt Disney Company, who, like most backers of the current 2-party, regressive, anti-democratic establishment in this country (including General Electric's NBC and MSNBC), are scared stiff at what might happen if Obama is elected President.
And they should be. There would almost certainly be attacks on public corruption, limits on corporate donations to politicians and parties, and maybe even laws that make it harder for CEO's and their cronies to steal money from public companies! It's even possible (though not likely) that a better-informed public might turn their noses up at infotainment in a few years' time. The horor!
But, thankfully, ABC's debate the other night and Hillary's fear-mongering among my poor, old, uneducated white neighbors managed to keep my home state from getting too close, thus rescuing this wonderful world of today from the meddlesome Obama for another little while. So this is indeed a very good night for the wealthy backers of our two corrupt parties. They will sleep a little better knowing that their strongest enemy is at least badly wounded. Really heartwarming stuff, no?
And they should be. There would almost certainly be attacks on public corruption, limits on corporate donations to politicians and parties, and maybe even laws that make it harder for CEO's and their cronies to steal money from public companies! It's even possible (though not likely) that a better-informed public might turn their noses up at infotainment in a few years' time. The horor!
Seriously, you think that if Obama becomes President, people will make more intellectual choices in their television programming?
. . . and start eating better breakfasts -- cheerios at least, if not shredded wheat! (Of course, we'll have to tax Nabisco's windfall profits.)
You do realize that corporate donations to politicians have been illegal for decades, right? You might also note that donations in kind are still donations.
Should the Bill & Hillary show play through June, as predicted, it could damage the DNC, to put it mildly. As Howard Dean is beginning to suspect, Hillary could put the party asunder. I hoped Pennsylvania would send the Clintons a clear edict; take the money, and leave 'em laughing – but they didn’t. Well, the facts are still the facts. And, there’s a strong case to be made against Hillary; trouble is, nobody’s making it. Between Sean Hannity’s demonizing of Barack, and Frank Luntz’s adulation over Hillary’s coronation, I’m beginning to rethink FOX NEWS’S agenda. Seems nobody even knew Hillary had roots in Pennsylvania, before the primary. Hillary has long treated working class Americans as a species apart. I’ll forego the lecture, but ignore Hillary at your own peril: http://theseedsof9-11.com
"You do realize that corporate donations to politicians have been illegal for decades, right? You might also note that donations in kind are still donations."
ACTUAL FACTS, STOP! PLEASE STOP!
Wow, this is great. On the one hand, supporters of protectionism, higher taxes, more restrictions on political spending, and restrictions on private sector pay. On the other hand, the libertarians. And both sides support the same candidate! How can the guy lose?
On the other hand, maybe not. I seem to recall that in 1952, the Conservative Party at Yale endorsed Adlai over Ike, it being one of those "once to every man and nation" moments. Alas, the support of Yale students across the spectrum didn't quite carry Adlai over the top. So we'll see.
Exactly. Plus, he's definitely captured the all important school girl crush demographic.
It absolutely was a really good night for Hillary. Unfortunately, Obama's had quite a few more really good nights over the campaign season. There's still hope for Hill but I don't see it happening. You never know, though.
It's a good thing I like Obama; I won't have to hold my nose to vote for him after my preferred choices are eliminated like I did John Kerry.
I know of three college-educated Democratic votes in Penna. that had been leaning Obama but voted for Hillary after Obama's poor showing in the debate. As one told me about Obama, "There isn't really anything there." Maybe the momentum is turning to Hillary, but too late to save her?
This is my day to disagree, so I guess I should preface by saying that I normally agree with Megan, but we have some kind of disconnect today.
This seems like a fairly inventive new use of "really good".
What's inventive about the use Megan quotes?
Let's try this: "Last night at poker, I was getting hammered. Finally, I had a really good hand, and won enough to keep me in the game." Or "Tyson was beaten into hamburger in his fight against J Mann, but he did have 2 really good rounds."
I have trouble believing anyone would bat an eye if I used "really good" in those terms.
More basically, it seems fair to characterize a 10 point, 200,000 vote win as a "really good night." (Note that MSNBC called it a (1) really good (2) night, not a decisive night or a really good month.)
Last night at poker you have a really good hand that keeps you in the game. Poker being a game where your hand is beyond your control. You take what is given to you and the possibility for a really bad hand is just as likely. Hence bet/money management.
Here, in Pennsylvania, in a state that has never put a black person in high office outside of Philly, and where the governor himself is telling you that they may have a problem with blacks, and where Hillary has a 20 point lead and where NOBODY expected Obama to win, Hillary winning by a normal margin is not by any means "really good". Solid win maybe?
And to suggest (creech @12:44) that momentum is turning for the better is inacurrate, given her slippage in lead in this contest. She won less delegates in winning by just under 10% than she would have won given the lead she had a month back. That lead got eroded, which is all Obama wanted to do. She burned up cash, gained less delegates than expected, and any future wins Obama gets can be more effectively matched against that reduced Pennsylvania delegate count.