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The news business

11 Apr 2008 11:36 am

Should the profit motive dominate journalism? While I think that people overascribe the role of profits in determining what gets published, there's certainly some truth to that--just read through a women's magazine and ask yourself why not one of the products they review is ever described in less than glowing terms. Most big media publications are surprisingly sanguine about losing major advertisers thanks to nasty coverage--one of my favorite reporters at The Economist seemed to average one giant company a year, more or less. But if no self-respecting major media editor would spike a story to keep business, they do have to pay attention to which coverage areas get advertising support; hence, the New York Times Style Section.

In the comments section to another post, beloved commenter Brooksfoe suggests that maybe we need public financing:

The other troubling implication of Megan's line of argument is that she's saying it is inevitable that journalism driven by the profit motive and funded by advertising will be vapid.

This is essentially an argument for massive public funding of broadcast journalism, or aggressive regulation. If it is left to advertising-funded, for-profit broadcasters to determine the shape of the political debate, that debate will be stupid and misinformed. Hence we need publicly funded, not-for-profit broadcasters to be at least as wealthy and powerful as the for-profit ones. As I recall, CNN's and FOXNews's budgets are well over $1 billion a year each.

Alternatively, one could return to old-fashioned regulation requiring broadcasters to broadcast at least 1 hour of nightly news, and a return to the Fairness Doctrine. This would be confusing to implement, obviously, in the era of 1000-channel cable broadcasting.

We do have public funding of news coverage: PBS and NPR, though they are increasingly reliant on private donors. Perhaps America should have a public broadcaster like the BBC--but that public broadcaster costs every household in Britain over $200 a year.

But that wouldn't change the basic calculus of television news provision unless you actually started heavily regulating the news. I don't see any way to do that. The FCC was empowered to regulate what went on the air because the television companies were licensed to use slices of a publicly owned commodity in scarce supply, the airwaves. I don't see any constitutional way for it to interfere in the provision of private television service to this kind of extent, particularly since the McCain-Feingold cases. If you can't prevent third parties from airing campaign ads, I don't see how you can prevent private companies from airing whatever the hell they want. But I'm no constitutional expert, so I'd love to hear lawyers weigh in.

Even if it could be done, legally, however, I don't think it should be done. I have a very visceral reaction to any suggestion that the government should get into the business of telling us what information we need. It is possible that this would fix some of the problems with news provision (although it's also possible that it would simply boost sales of Wiis and Blu-Ray players. But the cost would be tremendous. The general experience of government regulation of media content is dreadful; it is simply too easy for the government to decide that content it doesn't like is content we don't need. Would we really be better off with a "Fairness Doctrine" which allowed Bush-appointed regulators to declare that every criticism of the president had to be counterbalanced by someone articulating the administration's side of things?

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My question is always whether a paper or cable news operation would risk that much if it ran stories that were just blatantly untrue. I mean I can easily imagine a scenario, a plausible one, where a news operation devises a story that really moves units and just starts pumping it out there. Now, people tend to tell me that this is crazy, that other news organizations would kill them for it, and no one would trust them afterwards.... But I feel like this is a matter of appealing to facets of journalism that don't involve the profit motive. And that to me is the point, there has to be some sense of journalistic integrity or ethics that is totally separate from the imperative to generate capital, or the whole thing doesn't work.

People tell me that even if it was just a matter of making money, people would still privilege the truth-telling news organizations over the fabulists. I think they're being naive. But I could be wrong.

Hey, maybe once they can determine exactly what is on the airwaves in the newspapers, the left-wing authoritarians will be good enough to force us to actually read and watch the "correct" news, rather than the vapid inanities that the dumb hoi polloi want to read and watch. No more spending time reading People or US Weekly - that'll be illegal. Instead, we'll force people to read Mother Jones and The American Prospect and the country will be better off!

Look, giving advertisers and readers/viewers what they want is part of the issue with why issues like the torture memo and Attorney General Mukasey's obfuscation don't get more coverage. But there's more to it than that. Glenn Greenwald put it nicely:

There are many reasons why things like Barack Obama's bowling and John Edwards' hair receive far more attention than our country's torture regime and commission of war crimes and seizure of lawbreaking powers. The former is more entertaining, requires far less effort and fewer resources to report, etc. etc. All of those things are true. But as McArdle's two quotes above potently illustrate, a very significant factor is that people -- especially our political and opinion-making elite -- don't want to be reminded of or confronted with what they enabled.

"I have a very visceral reaction to any suggestion that the government should get into the business of telling us what information we need."--MM

yet, no mention of the millions of U$D this admin. has spent planting 'News' stories in the Media...

Megan,

you're kidding, right?

We are conflating two problems in this area - one is which stories get published (hot or not?) and the other is the quality of the stories which are published.
I'm a fatalist about which stories get published. PBS is good. Pulitzers and other inducements to publish solid work are good. But if people are interested in Britney, media companies (at least the publicly held ones) have a fiduciary duty to publish stories about her.
The quality of the stories is more serious. Part of the problem is that the incentives to do excellent work are very weak. The New York Times totally screwed the pooch on pre-Iraq coverage - but did their market share decline? Advertising rates fall? No. Journalists are also subject to capture by the opposition - famous and powerful people flatter and cajole them, and then it gets a lot harder to ask really pointed questions. Of course, some excellent work does get done despite these obstacles, but there's a lot of really substandard material out there, often in big-name publications.
I don't see a good solution for this either. We may have to muddle by with the carrots (Pulitzers) and sticks (Greenwald) that we have.

Freddie,

It happens and circulation gradually goes down. There is no immediate crisis at the news outlet, but over time, people gradually get the message that news from certain sources cant' be trusted.

The New York Times is a case in point. It used to be a fine paper, with a clear deliniation between the opinion section and the front page, but that started eroding when Reagan was president. I'd watch Reagan give a speech on TV, and the next day, the Times would have the speech word for word in an interior section, but the front page and the opinion page would have Reagan saying things that simply weren't in his speech.

It's gotten worse since then.

Next time you read the front page of the Times, look for all the "loaded" words that reflect the opinion of the journalist and which influence how the reader feels about the story. This mixture of opinion and fact is something that good reporters try to avoid, but is simply impossible to eliminate entirely.

That's really a shame.

Don't you see the contradictions of the assertions you are making?

You here state that you have a liberty-based objection to dictating to news organizations what they should cover. I would wholeheartedly agree. The fact that owners and operators of media are privately making determinations of what they do and do not want to cover is to me a feature, not a bug, of our system.

But isn't it disingenuous or intellectually dishonest to claim on one hand that you actively like a system where owners and operators are making coverage determinations based on their own preferences - but then on the other hand, in a different context, denying that any preferences are being exhibited at all?

How can you argue in favor of the merits of private media preference in this post, but then deny that preference exists in other posts?

The national interest is best served by media entities placed at the mercy of the public at large, not through a publicly-financed monolith that answers only to the government.

Money always carries influence. You can only choose your poison. Would you rather have a media that is driven by reader subscriptions and ad revenue, or one that relies on retaining the goodwill and financing of the government?

Let them sink or swim according to the whims of the market. They do not deserve one penny of public financing.

There is a ton of great media out there, especially if you have internet access (which not enough people have, but at least most people do at this point). On TV: Frontline and 60 minutes. In print: The Economist, the NY Times, the Financial Times are all free online, and are all great as part of this complete breakfast (i.e. none should be your sole source of news); if you want to pay for a magazine, you can get great news and commentary for $20-$100 per year, or free from the library. On the radio: NPR.

People complain that "the news" is about stupid stuff. But that's the news people are choosing to watch! There is room for improvement, but the good stuff is already out there and most people watch/read/listen to drivel instead. There's not much to be done about that except pay for as much "good" media as we can in order to support it.

As always, if you're a liberal and you're suggesting more regulation, don't imagine the regulation under your control (or control of the Democrats), imagine it in the hands of George Bush. Then maybe you'll get a glimpse into why Libertarians tend to oppose regulation. We just tend to realize that in the end, neither party is particularly adept at regulating things.

'There is nothing new under the sun!'

This same cluster of questions was addressed masterfully by Calvin Coolidge in his 1925 address to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, "The Press Under a Free Government".

The sad irony of that speech is that few now know about it, yet base their (mistaken) ideas of Coolidge's view on a misrepresented quote from that speech ("After all, the business of the American people is business.")

As usual with Coolidge, you need to read the whole to understand it, but perhaps the central paragraph on this issue is the following, in which the famous (mis)quote appears:

There does not seem to be cause for alarm in the dual relationship of the press to the public, whereby it is on one side a purveyor of information and opinion and on the other side a purely business enterprise. Rather, it is probably that a press which maintains an intimate touch with the business currents of the nation, is likely to be more reliable than it would be if it were a stranger to these influences. After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of opinion that the great majority of people will always find these are moving impulses of our life. The opposite view was oracularly and poetically set forth in those lines of Goldsmith which everybody repeats, but few really believe:

"Ill fares the land, to hastening ills a prey, Where wealth accumulates, and men decay."


Excellent poetry, but not a good working philosophy. Goldsmith would have been right, if, in fact, the accumulation of wealth meant the decay of men. It is rare indeed that the men who are accumulating wealth decay. It is only when they cease production, when accumulation stops, that an irreparable decay begins. Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture. Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it. An there never was time when wealth was so generally regarded as a means, or so little regarded as an end, as today.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=1604

Perhaps America should have a public broadcaster like the BBC--but that public broadcaster costs every household in Britain over $200 a year.

But that wouldn't change the basic calculus of television news provision unless you actually started heavily regulating the news.

And you base this assertion on what, precisely?

Having a public body the sheer size of the BBC (or, say, ARD in Germany) does distort the market in favour of a public service ethic. There's a reason Rupert Murdoch bangs on about the unfair competition it poses to his media empire in the UK. Meanwhile, the funding model it goes by (a license fee) means that it is in effect independent of government. In fact the perception of closeness means its journalists, like John Humphrys and Jeremy Paxman, feel a particularly strong need to be actively hostile to politicians. The result is a powerful organisation with journalists dedicated to taking down the powers that be, even when the public are busy watching Pop Idol.

Would we really be better off with a "Fairness Doctrine" which allowed Bush-appointed regulators to declare that every criticism of the president had to be counterbalanced by someone articulating the administration's side of things?

No (emphatically, robustly, stridently, NO to anything like a fairness doctrine or other state control of content), but it might be amusing to watch those who were stridently arguing for a "fairness doctrine" in radio change their tunes when their own ox was to be gored.

On the other hand, the heads exploding when the administration's side was presented as anything other than a tenth-paragraph "claimed" clause would be both amusing and a boon to the carpet-cleaning industry.

(Can I invent the "head exploding fallacy" as a corollary to the "broken windows fallacy"?)

We do have public funding of news coverage: PBS and NPR, though they are increasingly reliant on private donors.

NPR gets about 2% of its funding from the federal government. Sorry to drift topics, but it always bugs me when I see that talking-point repeated.

We do not have public media in this country. We have some not-for-profit media outlets that bend over backwards not to seem like they have any liberal bias. The BBC they ain't.

While I think that people overascribe the role of profits in determining what gets published

No way!

There are a large number of good journalists out there. Hire them, and send them to write the stories you think everyone is deliberately undercovering. Then sell lots of papers with those stories in them. It should be a simple matter to make money doing this, since the only thing required is to have good journalists. If your thesis were true, this would be an excellent place to put all of your retirement savings.

But in fact, you'd lose everything. People wouldn't buy the paper if the headlines didn't interest them.

But that ship has sunk; we've had that discussion in previous threads. This post is about public financing of news reporting. Which I will get to in a minute. First this important point:

Would we really be better off with a "Fairness Doctrine" which allowed Bush-appointed regulators to declare that every criticism of the president had to be counterbalanced by someone articulating the administration's side of things?

Yes, we would be better off, because the converse would also be true: every cheerleading encomium to the genius of the President would have to be (or more accurately, would be open to be) counterbalanced by someone who had a case as to why the emperor had no clothes. Sean Hannity gets a show on Fox, great, Rachel Maddow should be able to get a show on Fox. Rush Limbaugh gets a radio show with nationwide distribution, Randi Rhodes should be able to get a radio show on those very same stations.

As you say, however, the Fairness Doctrine has some troubling aspects with regards to the First Amendment. Why should a broadcaster be forced to air programming he is fundamentally opposed to airing? The problem is that when all the broadcasters are lined up on one side they shut out the other. Some broadcaster is going to have to take the hit and provide a forum for opposing viewpoints, and no broadcaster wants to be the one to take it. To my mind, that's when the government needs to step in and say if none of you want to take the hit, fine, we're going to make a place for a new competitor dedicated to balancing out that side that is shutting the other(s) out.

We do have public funding of news coverage: PBS and NPR, though they are increasingly reliant on private donors.

Yes, we do have those.

Bush's 2009 Budget Calls For Slashing Public TV Funding

Bush's proposed 2009 budget, released Monday, would more than halve the federal allocation to public broadcasting over the next two years, the deepest cuts to the system that he's proposed during his administration.

Republican puts pressure on U.S. public television

The Republican chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting is aggressively pressing public television to correct what he and other conservatives consider liberal bias, prompting some public broadcasting leaders, including the chief executive of PBS, to object that his actions pose a threat to editorial independence.

But even that's really beside the point. PBS can and does do good work; but that work gets no airplay anywhere else. Why isn't CBS airing "Bush's War" or for that matter "Commanding Heights"? Surely there is some time in their lackluster schedule for that; they made room for the NCAA tournament. If the broadcast networks would even allow advertising promoting Frontline or other PBS shows that they refuse to carry for economic reasons, that would be fine too. No need to change their schedules, and they'd get paid for the ad time! But of course that would mean taking the chance that their key audience for "Dancing with the Stars," "My Dad is Better Than Your Dad," or "House" reruns might instead go watch an educational show on another network; can't have that! (Never mind what that says about how confident they are that their shows are really what people want to watch!)

One more thing. Let's not stray away from the larger point here: it's not just that broadcast networks won't air or print won't publish certain stories. It's that they do so purposefully. They could just as easily choose to publish balanced stories or investigative stories as not. That they choose to air or publish the stories they do, and why they make those choices, is the real issue.

I don't really watch or read MSM sources all that much, just an hour or so of CNN in the the morning as I'm getting ready, but has anyone actually substantiated the claim that Obama's bowling and Joh Edwards' hair have gotten more coverage than US torture policy (I really can't believe I have to right that phrase). From what I remember, neither story itself got that much coverage, just a 30 sec segment to show the clip and have the anchors make a little quip, whereas the stories about waterboarding and the various shenanigans that led to the Iraq war have been covered quite a lot, not terribly in-depth coverage, but enough to make it an issue which people can research themselves if they feel so inclined (and there is plenty out there is you have an internet connection and know how to do a google search). Does anyone know of any actual data on this, number of stories on each respective issue, amount of time spent on each story, primetime versus off-hours coverage, etc...?

journalism driven by the profit motive and funded by advertising will be vapid.

What the hell does everyone have against Brittney? I like her and find her exploits much more interesting than what Hugo is going to nationalize next. Who's going to define vapid? After months of analysts talking about election strategies for the candidates, that can get vapid too.

The point about publicly funded media has been covered: funding for PBS is a fraction of the BBC budget or what the French spend on TV5, AFP, RFI (which by the way is totally awesome) and France 24 or whatever their new TV news thing is called. And obviously it's a fraction of a CNN or FOXNews budget. European countries that move away from publicly funded broadcasting towards a private model experience pretty much the degradation of public discourse you'd expect. The Netherlands has been gradually defunding their public broadcasters over the past 15 years and moving towards a private model, and the result was that they invented Reality TV. I believe the harm from that catastrophe alone would have justified a tremendous amount of preemptive spending, along the "1 Percent Doctrine" theory, but by now obviously it's too late -- that WMD has long proliferated.

But abq is right:

the good stuff is already out there and most people watch/read/listen to drivel instead.

There is unbelievably good documentary work being done that never finds much of an audience beyond the 2 coasts and festivals. And also Ovid is right:

Having a public body the sheer size of the BBC (or, say, ARD in Germany) does distort the market in favour of a public service ethic.

The NYT and the Wall Street Journal play an incredibly important similar role in the US: they set standards and shame other organizations into meeting them. One hopes the WSJ continues to do so in the Murdoch era. But entrusting that standard-bearer role to these private institutions is ultimately pretty risky. I think we should all give thanks that the NYT managed to make the transition to digital media successfully; if it had been mortally wounded by the advent of the Net (like, say, the Boston Globe was) then journalistic standards might today be set by Google. As it is, we're getting close, and that's not healthy.

liberalrob, the people who labored long and hard to own a part of CBS should be willing to accept your instructions, and show what you think needs (who made you the lackluster sheriff?) to be shown, the moment you are willing to let an owner of CBS stop by and use the contents of your refrigerator and liqour cabinet, and heck, your car too, as they think they need to be used.

Something tells me the folks who want taxpayer-funded and government-edited media content want to force people to listen only to their own points of view, nothing more. They're the types who like nothing more than a captive audience.

Many others who think this way take the safer route: They ascend the academic ladder to full professorships, where they can indoctrinate future generations of captive audiences from a more vaunted perch, while not subjecting themselves to the permanent job search involved in reporting.

Publically funded media is a complete waste. People supporting it always just assume their views of what is news is what will be provided, but that is never the case. It is far better to have the media coverage driven by readership and advertising revenue.

However, there are already public outlets such as PBS and NPR, as Megan pointed out, and they are purely niche products. Any new government supplied news arm will also be a niche product unless you clamp down on the private competition.

Brooksfoe's idea is an abomination to liberty, not a boon.

Liberalrob,

PBS, NPR, et. al. air worthy factual and well researched stories. The problem is, very few people watch or listen to them. If CBS or NBC syndicated those programs, people still wouldn't watch them, for the same reason nobody watches PBS. Most people find those things dull. CBS is (comparatively) popular precisely becasue it does not produce very much PBS-worthy material.

This gets, I think, to a fallacy in your view of the media. (Gabraith made the same mistake in his theory of "manufactured demand", so you're in very good company here)

You write: "Sean Hannity gets a show on Fox, great, Rachel Maddow should be able to get a show on Fox. Rush Limbaugh gets a radio show with nationwide distribution, Randi Rhodes should be able to get a radio show on those very same stations."

But this assumes that simply by virtue of airing on the same network as Rush, Randi Rhodes would somehow command the attention of his audience. She would not. People listen to Rush, because they want to listen to Rush. No one cares that he's on Clear Channel, and if he moved his operation to Air America, his audience would follow. They still wouldn't listen to Rhodes in any great number, even if she followed immediately afterwards.

Viewer interest is a precondition for high ratings. It does not matter what network airs the program, nor what timeslot it occupies. Unless people are interested, they will not watch.

Sweet lord, give this a rest. I agree with you completely, but you've made your point (five times, I think) and media criticism isn't where your comparative advantage lies.

Don't feed Greenwald's trolls.

Whenever the Fairness Doctrine is brought up, it's invariably described incorrectly: that whenever a point of view is expressed, an opposing point of view must accompany it.

That's not what the Fairness Doctrine was when it was in effect. The rule was that OVER THE COURSE OF A BROADCAST YEAR, or even the ENTIRE TERM OF A BROADCAST LICENSE, a roughly even percentage of time was divided among the major points of view concerning topics of public interest to each radio or TV station's local community.

That was the Fairness Doctrine, folks, in its entirety. I'm not defending it, I'm just pointing out that it was never something that demanded back-and-forth points of view in the same program. Or even in the same month.

the people who labored long and hard to own a part of CBS should be willing to accept your instructions, and show what you think needs (who made you the lackluster sheriff?) to be shown, the moment you are willing to let an owner of CBS stop by and use the contents of your refrigerator and liqour cabinet, and heck, your car too, as they think they need to be used.

I agree with you here completely.

The people at CBS are entitled to decide what they want to show.

It is precisely because they are deciding what they want to show that Greenwald claims we can draw conclusions about their sympathies based on what they show.

McArdle is the one who claimed that the poor folks at CBS are the hapless victims of market forces, and have been left with no choice about what stories to run by the demands of the consumer.

Sweet lord, give this a rest. I agree with you completely, but you've made your point (five times, I think) and media criticism isn't where your comparative advantage lies.

Don't feed Greenwald's trolls.

I respectfully disagree. Greenwald and his ilk need to be decisively refuted, and that refutation must be complete, obvious, and total. Anything less and they will revisit the topic, having been insufficiently embarrassed.

Brian, if Greenwald claims that the pursuit of profit is not the predominant factor which drives the behavior of CBS, he is in error. People who run large companies can unfortunately get really rich even when a company does poorly, but it is a lot easier for them to get really rich when the company performs well. Everybody who seeks a summer home in Hamptons is a "hapless victim" of market forces.

A simpler starting point is a la carte cable. that would have the added advantage of not making me pay money to abhorrent content providers as the price for ESPN. And that should mean that I can get the BBC and al jazeera without having to pay for telemundo.

MM wrote: Would we really be better off with a "Fairness Doctrine" which allowed Bush-appointed regulators to declare that every criticism of the president had to be counterbalanced by someone articulating the administration's side of things?

Ironically, it might have helped. It might have forced the administration to carefully explain how and why it was making decisions at the time of the decision-making, instead of playing pig-in-poke games that sometimes turned out to be a cat, but nobody could have reasonably foreseen it based on the available information. Hence, the administration's actions were constantly judged after the fact because that's the only information anyone ever had to go by.

Brian, if Greenwald claims that the pursuit of profit is not the predominant factor which drives the behavior of CBS, he is in error. People who run large companies can unfortunately get really rich even when a company does poorly, but it is a lot easier for them to get really rich when the company performs well. Everybody who seeks a summer home in Hamptons is a "hapless victim" of market forces.

Well, this sets up a conflict between the claims of libertarian political science and libertarian economics.

As political science, libertarianism purports to show that freedom of the press produces good outcomes because a free press best informs the public.

As economics, libertarianism of McArdle's variety appears to be showing that freedom of the press does not best inform the public, because the public will demand that it not be informed, and will seek out news programming that achieves that end.

Journalists can't be the heroes of libertarian psychodramas when we want them to be, and hapless followers of market dictates when we want them to be. They're either responsible for the content of their coverage or they aren't.

As economics, libertarianism of McArdle's variety appears to be showing that freedom of the press does not best inform the public, because the public will demand that it not be informed, and will seek out news programming that achieves that end.

That still assumes that the information you want is the information everyone "needs." There are plenty of people who simply don't want the information that others produce. They find it irrelevant or useless in their individual pursuits. Consider public school attendance and course requirements. Are you going to mandate that all news outlets have to present the government-selected news and then make the public cease all other activities but watch TV or read the paper from, say, six to eight in every evening? If you did, you still couldn't assume people had "gotten the message," so next you'd have to have monthly tests on the news to make sure everyone had absorbed what they were meant to.

Or perhaps one should simply consider looking for a tenure-track position at one of our fine public colleges...

Brian: "Journalists can't be the heroes of libertarian psychodramas when we want them to be, and hapless followers of market dictates when we want them to be. They're either responsible for the content of their coverage or they aren't."

There is no contradiction. The public will only consume the media it wishes to consume. Even with whatever ideal public news media you wish to conjure up, you cannot force someone who is uninterested in politics or economics to become interested.

The best we can achieve is to create a media environment that fosters interest in serious topics, that presents serious issues in ways that are easy to understand, and covers each issue in a variety of formats with differing viewpoints and varying levels of complexity. This is what currently exists, and this state will continue to be best achieved by privately-owned media.

As I said in a previous post:

Money always carries influence. You can only choose your poison. Would you rather have a media that is driven by reader subscriptions and ad revenue, or one that relies on retaining the goodwill and financing of the government?

Let them sink or swim according to the whims of the market. They do not deserve one penny of public financing.

But this whole silly debate is premised on the nonsensical post-WWII idea that it's both possible and desirable to have centralized and objective media.

The future is a return to the past where we had fragmented media who wore their bias on their sleeve (instead of hiding it, even from themselves), and that's a good thing.

Brian, there is no objective standard of "best", especially in a nation of 300 million people. Sure, people who run media outlets are responsible for the content they produce. Nobody argued they were being held hostage at gunpoint, or victims of a Jedi Knight mind trick. The only argument has been about what provided the motivation for these people, and whether their perception of their customers' desires was accurate.

Maybe Americans just enjoy being stupid? Just a thought.

Too much generalizing, not enough facts, the usual refuge of the incompetent. It's already been pointed out by more than one poster that Gore faced a hostile press - even some of the leading mavens straight-up admit that they just didn't like him, and this influenced their stories.

How does this square with "the media is just giving the people what they want"?

Why couldn't the focus have been on the fact that Bush is a weaseling incompetent that had everything handed to him on a silver platter? That the only time a company he was involved with made money was when the government stepped in with Eminent Domain? That's also a character-driven, easily understood narrative. One that might have saved us trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives. But that didn't happen, did it?

And yet the libertarians here - who have presented absolutely zero evidence for their contention that it's all market driven - insist that these particular examples are really about "giving the people what they want".

Uh-huh.

SOV: But all of that and more was covered in the press, for those who were paying attention. Do you wonder why the press, which overwhelmingly votes Democratic, couldn't uncover GWB's negatives at all until after he had a lock on the Republican nomination?

"My question is always whether a paper or cable news operation would risk that much if it ran stories that were just blatantly untrue." Ask Dan Rather and Mary Mapes. OTOH, pick up a copy of National Enquirer. It all depends on whether the news organization is trying to maintain a reputation for accuracy or for sensational lies. If sensational lies sell better - and I don't see many serious news magazines on the rack in the checkout lane - then the problem is with the American people, not with the businesses that provide the entertainment-in-a-news-format they seem to want.

I don't know of any solution.

Certainly, government funded media would be a problem. In fact, considering how much the U.S. government already pays for advertisements, it is already a problem.

There are many issues where the media continues to tell lies - very harmful lies - even when the reporters and their bosses know they are lies, because lies are more profitable than the truth. I expect this to get worse before it gets better, and perhaps at the expense of millions of American lives.

When the interests of private companies, government, and hate-filled zealots overlap, Truth doesn't have much of a chance, regardless of how the media is funded.

The problem comes down to a failure of ordinary citizens to take responsibility for their own education and their own actions. Perhaps some blame can go to dismal education systems such as operate in the USA, but ultimately it comes down to individuals - and it is unlikely to change until it is too late.

SOV: But all of that and more was covered in the press, for those who were paying attention. Do you wonder why the press, which overwhelmingly votes Democratic, couldn't uncover GWB's negatives at all until after he had a lock on the Republican nomination?

Posted by markm

Sigh. "for those who were paying attention", eh? Is this your way of conceding that these facts received less - far less - coverage than items like 'Earth-Tone Al', 'Al, the serial exaggerator', and so on and so forth?

I was aware of these facts about Bush, but not through watching CNN, MSNBC, or the like. I had to go digging.

So again, why the disparity in coverage? Are you seriously contending that the disparity just reflected what 'the people' wanted?

I'm going to have to have a little more proof than your unsupported word.

Do you wonder why the press, which overwhelmingly votes Democratic, couldn't uncover GWB's negatives at all until after he had a lock on the Republican nomination?

I didn't have time to say this before, but, you do realize what you wrote here directly contradicts the thesis that what goes out on the news is market-driven, right?

BBC might cost British families $200 a year, but the result is world-class programming and news. BBC, NPR, CBC in Canada: there is a strong correlation between quality news networks and public funding.

I didn't have time to say this before, but, you do realize what you wrote here directly contradicts the thesis that what goes out on the news is market-driven, right?

No, there is no contradiction. They are being blatantly biased, and consequently, subscriptions are dropping like a rock. The New York Times stock is worth less than half what it was 5 years ago. The entire mainstream media is in long-term decline.

Mediums that obey market demand will thrive, while those that alienate their audiences will cease to exist. (Hmm...which media formats have growing audiences, and which are dead men walking? I wonder...)

Sigh. The claim was that the media was just 'giving the people what they want'. That and "Do you wonder why the press, which overwhelmingly votes Democratic, couldn't uncover GWB's negatives at all until after he had a lock on the Republican nomination?" directly contradict one another.

Why did you think otherwise?

Is this your way of conceding that these facts received less - far less - coverage than items like 'Earth-Tone Al', 'Al, the serial exaggerator', and so on and so forth?

SoV, pardon me for being a pill, but do you have hard numbers on the coverage of Gore?

I disliked the man intensely, but I agree he got unfair treatment, especially over the whole internet comment thing. Still, that's just my personal impression, and confirmation bias being what it is, I'd appreciation something more than just your recollection.