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Even more on the minimum wage

12 May 2008 05:17 pm

Jake Young, with an excellent post on conditional models:

Now I am not an economist, and I am not qualified to speak to the relative merits of each of these models.

However, I am a scientist, and I have do have experience dealing with conditional models. By conditional models, I mean that there are circumstances under which the model applies and explains a lot and circumstances under which it doesn't. I can give you an example. If you work in animal behavior, you learn very quickly that animals -- like people -- respond to incentives. Give the rat a treat, and you can get the rat to do what you want. However, incentive learning does not apply under all circumstances. One example is habitual learning. If you teach a rat that every time it presses a lever that it gets a treat, it will press that lever a lot. However, after the animal has repeatedly done this over and over for a long time, you find that if you remove the reward the animal will just keep on pressing that lever -- even though it gets nothing for it. We say then that the response has become habitual and resistant to reward devaluation. So I could say that incentives matter in learning generally, but there are circumstances where they don't.

This is what I see when I read this debate about the minimum wage. It could be that the perfect competition model functions rather nicely except in the particular circumstance of a small increase in minimum wage. The question then becomes: what is small? Is it 10 cents? Is it a dollar? When scientists create models, we also have to spend a lot of time defining when and where they apply. Under 99% of situations humans deal with, Newtonian mechanics predicts outcomes just fine. It is just situations near the speed of light where relativity becomes important.

I'd say that within a dollar or so, increases in the minimum wage produce employment effects that are generally too small to measure. They also don't seem to produce much of a measurable reduction in the poverty rate, which is not surprising, because so few workers actually earn minimum wage.

We do have a lot of good literature on price controls, though, and the results are generally pretty much what you'd expect. Artificially raise the price, and you get too much supply and not enough demand; artificially lower it, and you get too much demand and not enough supply. Lowering product quality may compensate for some of these problems (employers turn off the air conditioning and end overtime; landlords stop painting and become profoundly disinterested in pest control.) But there is no such thing as a free lunch.

These effects mount over time. Rent control was a great deal in New York in 1955. By 1990, rent controlled, or rent stabilized apartments were generally pretty squalid--do not believe television shows showcasing palatial apartments available for a song. Any apartment that great is occupied by a 90 year old lady who moved in during World War II, and you can bet the landlord has a camera on the door so he can prove that whoever tries to inherit it on joint tenancy did not actually live there. More typical was my ex-boyfriend's rent stabilized deal on the Upper East Side--$1400 a month for two small bedrooms overlooking an airshaft, a stove that hadn't worked since about 1970, and don't forget to step over the dead roaches as you come through the door. The better the deal, the more likely it comes with a "key fee", aka a very large bribe that returns much of the consumer surplus to the landlord. And of course, the owner of such a desireable property can afford to be choosy about tenants, so they tend to go to affluent people.

Rent control/stabilization is also the reason that developers refuse to build housing for anyone poor enough to attract sympathetic politicians to their plight--and thus, in part, for New York's sub-2% vacancy rate. When I was apartment hunting in DC, I surprised the hell out of potential landlords by showing up with notarized copies of my credit report, wads of cash, and checks ready for deposit and first/last rent--the standard procedure for procuring an inexpensive apartment in New York. Apparently, the standard procedure here is to think about it for a few days and then mosey over and sign a lease sometime that month.

But over the short term, price controls can look like they are working (for some values of the word "working"), because price elasticity is almost always much greater over the long run than short term. The real reason that minimum wages haven't been particularly worrisome in the United States is that there hasn't been much of a long run over the past few decades; inflation and GDP growth have eroded its value before it got too onerous. Of course, supporters of the minimum wage are working very hard to change that.

Comments (27)

Of course, supporters of the minimum wage are working very hard to change that.

Yeah, they're really not. The minimum wage has had a higher real value than $7.25 before without crippling the national labor market or economy, and I don't think many economists are seriously losing sleep that it will now, either.

You started this post with the very sensible point that the magnitudes involved matter. I don't think anyone on the pro-minimum wage side of the debate denies this, at least not anyone who will have a job in a future Democratic administration. If you are worried a vote for Obama will move us one step closer to the $50 minimum wage, I think you can relax.

The minimum wage in 1968, adjusted for todays dollars, was $10.50. It didn't ruin the economy, and it didn't destroy the growth of small businesses. Perhaps more to the point, states with their own minimum wages have enjoyed higher small business growth and job creation-- including low-income jobs-- than those without. In fact, most states with their own minimum wages above the federal minimum wage are superior to those without in most conventionally used metrics. This isn't an issue about results for conservatives; it's an issue of pure ideology. That's fine, but don't be disingenuous. Argue from principal.

*principle

I assumed that she meant that Democrats were pursuing policies that would crush GDP growth.

MM: When I was apartment hunting in DC, I surprised the hell out of potential landlords by showing up with notarized copies of my credit report, ...

I once had a prospective housemate who showed up with this sort of stuff. His previous experience had been living in the People's Republic of Berkeley....

I'm not sure why the minimum wage is even on 'the agenda', except as a manufactured "red line" item from right-wing economists looking for an axe to grind.

Even most right-wing economists acknowledge that few people are compensated at the minimum wage any longer in the U.S.A.

As we've developed, the notion of a 'living wage' has been replaced with broader notions of fair-play and 'economic justice', arguably.

If you want a topic to apply a model to - and you have the cajones - why don't you find a good model of Executive Compensation?

Why is it that the U.S. executives are so much more highly compensated than - anyone else in the entire world? (I believe that statistic may hold true). Is the structure of U.S. industry so much difference?

Can you explain how the marginal productivity of labor yielded a $398 million retirement package? I mean, I know some people are good - even real good - but wouldn't you have to have superpowers to rate that much more margin for a given days work?

[I believe that "key money" is illegal in New York City. Equally plausible: wealthy occupants tend to have a higher turnover rate. Landlords can get a higher 'vacancy' rate increase, especially if they fake improvements or make minimal ones, so that may attract them to young office professionals, as much as they can get of them, rather than ... policeman, say.

It's not clear that absence of rent control improves quality. There are other dynamics at work. A captive source of demand is one - visiting certain college towns will give you a sense for what landlord can get away with, because real-estate itself is typically limited and the trade-offs in many places are between rent-and-own, not rent-and-nice-place-to-rent...]

I'm not sure why the minimum wage is even on 'the agenda', except as a manufactured "red line" item from right-wing economists looking for an axe to grind.

I'm not sure why it's on the agenda, either, since there's really no good reason to support it. It sucks as an anti-poverty program--most poor people don't earn the minimum wage, and most minimum-wage earners aren't poor.

My best guess as to why it's so popular is that it resonates with the left-wing fantasy that poverty is caused by greedy capitalists exploiting the workers, and that all we have to do to make everything better is take away the capitalists' ill-gotten profits and redistribute them to the workers.

Furthermore, it appears under naive analysis to offer something for nothing. If the greedy capitalists are paying the higher wages, then it doesn't cost good, decent people like you and me anything. Everybody wins, except for the greedy capitalists, and screw them.

Perhaps more to the point, states with their own minimum wages have enjoyed higher small business growth and job creation-- including low-income jobs-- than those without. In fact, most states with their own minimum wages above the federal minimum wage are superior to those without in most conventionally used metrics.

Since you didn't do your homework for this one, I tried to search it out on my own. Unfortunately, Google results for "job creation minimum wage" keep turning up things like this:

http://papers.nber.org/papers/w6111

...along with numerous press releases in which politicians and activist groups try to have it one way or the other depending on who it makes look good. You maybe want to provide something better?

Can you admit, mouse, that your general position is to attack anything I say, and then find the argument to do so with afterwards? I'm serious.

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_viewpoints_raising_minimum_wage_2004

http://www.epionline.org/study_detail.cfm?sid=98

http://www.policymattersohio.org/good_for_business_2006.htm

Mouse I just posted three links to support my claims, unfortunately the spam filter ate it, I hope Megan releases it.

Mouse I just posted three links to support my claims, unfortunately the spam filter ate it, I hope Megan releases it.

Freddie, Mouse wins. EPI on the minimum wage is less reliable than any of the right wing think tanks; it's union funded, and union wages are frequently pegged to the minimum wage.

It's long been known that states with high minimum wages tend to have outsized growth, but the correlation appears to run the other way. Fast growth=rising wages and political pressure to raise the minimum; also, the coasts have been growing faster, as coasts almost always do, and they have higher costs of living.

Minimum wage laws are a form of therapy, designed to help the self esteem of many of those that support them, or are for something similarly nebulous. I once had a supporter of such legislation, after much back and forth in which it was admitted that if such a price floor was instituted with the thought of actually raising the wages of a non-trivial number of poor people, poor people would be significantly harmed, tell me that the desire for such legislation was an essentially aesthethic preference. That pretty much sums up the behavior of Congress which isn't simply abject rent-seeking; the pursuit of aesthethics or self-esteem via the law.

Is there a way we can just round up all the poor in this country, kill them, and somehow render the fat from their bodies into a low-cost alternative to gasoline? That would solve three problems at once -- it would render minimum wage arguments obsolete, it would solve the gas crunch, and it would send most Libertarians into paroxysms of sexual exstacy.

Ah, yes...when you can't argue the facts, just say the people with whom you have you have a dispute are evil.

You mean you've declared that your sock puppet "wins", Megan? I'm shocked, shocked. Look, I know you libertarians have this constant (constant) tendency to merely assert that the evidence supports them, and act as though that is self-evident. But look, there is significant evidence from a variety of sources that supports me (and Paul Krugman.) The fact remains that opponents of minimum wages constantly say that minimum wages hurt small businesses and job growth, when the evidence suggests precisely the opposite.

You mean you've declared that your sock puppet "wins", Megan? I'm shocked, shocked. Look, I know you libertarians have this constant (constant) tendency to merely assert that the evidence supports them, and act as though that is self-evident. But look, there is significant evidence from a variety of sources that supports me (and Paul Krugman.) The fact remains that opponents of minimum wages constantly say that minimum wages hurt small businesses and job growth, when the evidence suggests precisely the opposite.

I nominate the minimum wage for the title of perfect political issue. Perfect here means the issue for which the associated passions are most disproportionate to the expected consequences (for good or ill). It shows as well as any other issue that politics resembles college football more than any other contemporary institution.

The minimum wage in 1968, adjusted for todays dollars, was $10.50. It didn't ruin the economy, and it didn't destroy the growth of small businesses.

You could raise the minimum wage to $25 and it won't ruin the economy or destroy the growth of small businesses.

That's because businesses will turn to imported goods and illegal immigrants. Life will go on for businesses just like it already has, only a lot more will be processed in India, made in China, or done by Mexicans.

It will, on the other hand, be horrible for low-income workers in America who will get replaced by Indians, Chinese, and Mexicans.

with the left-wing fantasy that poverty is caused by greedy capitalists exploiting the workers,..
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Oh my, are you sure you can handle the hyperdrive on that thing?

If you want to continue to peddle the "economic" bastion that the best thing for 'the workers of the world', especially those with no market power, is to bend over further, without delay, because it will only help them in the next period, your welcome to, I think.

For you to do so is one of the surest routes to ... liberal "fantasies" of securing the reins of political say-so...

"your welcome" s/b "you're welcome".

Btw, if you need proof of intent, look no further than today's news that 19 States are seeking to pass voter ID restrictions, without any visible complaint of voter fraud.

Amicus, do you extend this reasoning to all cases?

I democratically elected legislature passes a law, that law passes constitutional muster as not an excessive burden, and you're complaint is that in the past when they weren't checking for fraud no one found it?

I've not seen any instances of electronic vote tampering or electioneering in polling places affecting votes. Does that mean all should be ignored, and those laws stripped from the books?

I suspect Megan is right about the correlation running the opposite way, but Freddie is right that you've got to do better than "my policy institute is better than yours, trust me."

It might even be true, but it doesn't really move the debate anywhere useful.

Freddie, do a literature search on NBER for minimum wage. Report back. You will find that, just as I asserted, the evidence for the EPI leans towards supporting a small disemployment effect. Card and Krueger was an outlier, which is why it has gotten so much attention.

Start here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clevelandfed.org%2FResearch%2Fworkpaper%2F1999%2FWp9919.pdf&ei=wespSOuWHpSm8ATx0MXNCw&usg=AFQjCNGxoqlhqo0fVwcVgUgRGKYgxI5iNg&sig2=WUFZ9tgwZliUwG3qy1ZBtw for economists asking basically similar questions to EPI.

You can also see Neumark's survey of the literature here: http://www.nber.org/reporter/fall02/higherWages.html though you should keep in mind that he's the most vocal critic of Card and Krueger

A broader survey of labor market research is here: http://www.nber.org/jel/J3.html

Only about 1% of Americans actually make the minimum wage, so its not a big deal. Its mainly just a pat yourself on the back, look I'm so generous feel-good issue for lefties.

Christian Science Monitor:http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0622/p01s03-usec.html

.. 8 million Americans, earning less than $7.25 an hour, would rise or falter under the first government-ordered wage hike in 10 years....

8 million people would presumably be at least 4% of the working population. That's 1 in 25 working Americans.

Glad you libertarians care so much about the well-being of ordinary people (and back up your moral integrity with deep research)

Amicus, do you extend this reasoning to all cases?
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In general, yes.

From an economic perspective, there is a cost to imposing this restriction/regulation. On the other hand, there are no visible costs being avoided by doing so.


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