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Jindalmania

12 May 2008 04:51 pm

I saw Bobby Jindal talk last week at the National Press Club. He's being widely touted as McCain's potential running mate, though I agree with Ross that this would be a mistake--for Jindal. No one should run for office this year as a Republican who doesn't have to.

Mostly I was incredibly impressed. He looks like the president of the high school chess club, so it's something of a shock to my elitist coastal ears to hear a rich good-old-boy southern accent issuing from him. But he's a hell of a talker, and most of what he says actually makes sense.

One interesting thing I learned is just how far Jindal has come in fighting Louisiana's institutional problems. Bush detractors get mad when I say this, but it really is true that the total ineptitude of the state and local governments was a major reason that things went so tragically wrong during Katrina. FEMA is a small agency with a few thousand employees; it is a funding mechanism for recovery efforts, not some sort of Super EMT Squad. FEMA does well in states that have competent and responsive government agencies, and not so well in places that don't. (The staggering incompetence of rebuilding efforts is another rant--but also, a symptom of broader government problems rather than necessarily something specific to FEMA. But then as I say, that's another rant.)

With a river of federal money flowing in, Louisiana, which used to be stuck at the bottom of state corruption indices, could have gone back to business as usual while the politicians and the powers that be diverted a few rivulets to their own use. Instead, Jindal and the legislature passed anti-corruption laws that in a surprising turn of events actually seem to have done something about corruption--suddenly the state is getting the best scores in the country. They pushed through disclosure rules for all government officials--state and local, appointed and elected. He got a law passed that forbid legislators from doing business with the state. And he took on a tax and regulatory structure that had been built around the notion that companies couldn't go anywhere, and could hence be bled dry.

Huey Long deliberately built a bridge lower than standard so that boat traffic couldn't go upriver. The days when New Orleans could enforce that kind of dominance are long gone, but the old institutional structures remained. For example, Louisiana had special taxes on utilities, on new equipment purchases, on businesses that borrowed money. The unsurprising result was that companies deferred maintenance and refused to buy new equipment, making them uncompetitive unless they paid low wages. It's classic rent seeking behavior by the legislature, and Jindal actually got rid of it; new businesses are now locating there, and others are upgrading.

This reminded me very much of Jonathan Rauch's terrific book, Government's End. The book is a sort of basic primer for public choice theory, and a must-read for anyone who cares about policymaking. One of the things he points out is how lobbies tend to accrete over time, so that it becomes harder and harder for the government to do anything. He suggests that postwar Europe actually had more effective economic and political institutions because the war smashed the existing power structures, giving them more freedom to make policy. (I'd argue that at least since 1992, the EU has taken away their edge).

Katrina seems to have created a similar situation. With the old power networks disrupted, there was an opportunity to actually build institutions that functioned better than the old sclerotic ones. Louisiana seems to have been very lucky in getting a governor who is actually focusing on institution-building which will--if it works--give the state vastly more economic and political flexibility for years to come.

Of course, I'm just in that first flush of puppy love, when a journalist meets a handsome young politician who just might be The One. Soon enough, I'll undoubtedly find things about him to hate. But frankly, it's rare enough to meet one I like. True love may have to wait.

Comments (45)

Surely, Megan, Jindal's photo will never replace Obama's on the inside of your locker room.

I have them both on the wall over my hope chest, right above the My Little Ponies.

I agree with Ross that this would be a mistake--for Jindal.

Given the Republican propensity to nominate the "next in line," it might be a wise move to go ahead and get in line to prepare for 2012

Yeah, but this guy is so young that he can wait 5-6 elections before his first serious run if he wants to.

What's hottest for you, Megan? Jindal's rabid opposition to women's right to choose, without exceptions for life, health, rape or incest, his support of national I.D. cards, or his support for mandatory teaching of intelligent design?

Libertarian, my arse.

I don't really care between 'bama and McCain. I don't plan on voting unless Hillary finds a way to become the candidate.

However, despite liking McCain's stance on Iraq and spending better, I'm leaning more toward Obama because I think he is less likely to get a bunch of stupid things done on global warming. Just a gut feeling, not really based on anything. Likely could be wrong since Obama's party would be the majority party as well.

1) I don't think there's any particularly libertarian position on abortion, though I myself am pro-choice

2) I'm against mandatory ID in principle, but we were already there once we started making social security numbers mandatory.

3) Intelligent design is foolish. But it's hardly my killer issue.

Katrina seems to have created a similar situation. With the old power networks disrupted, there was an opportunity to actually build institutions that functioned better than the old sclerotic ones. Louisiana seems to have been very lucky in getting a governor who is actually focusing on institution-building which will--if it works--give the state vastly more economic and political flexibility for years to come.

The funny thing is that Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism seems to argue the same facts -- that disasters and what not disrupt normal structures -- and draws the opposite conclusion: that greedy corporations and others in turn make their own rules, laws, and structures, which are bad for the individual. I'd be curious to learn a) if you've read the book and if so b) how you'd contrast it with the sections about Government's End that you mention.

Interesting discussion. It reminds me of something that stuck in my head from a Christopher Hitchens piece (possibly a book), to the effect that the Founders essentially used a moment of conflict to enshrine enlightenment values in early American governance. It seems like the critical point is that disruption creates an opportunity to effect more substantial change than is normally possible, and a variety of forces can participate in that reorganization.

I live in NOLA, and have to say this - Jindal is doing great work, but has had little effect on the municipal gov't, which HAS to be one of the most corrupt and incompetent in the nation.

NOLA still has a long way to go, and though I love the city, I am not confident it will ever "come back."

Here is the dirty secret few know. People are not coming back for the very same reasons they were leaving the city before the storm.

Th population here peaked in 1968, at 750K. The day Katrina hit, we had 450K. Do the math. The city was bleeding, on average, 10K a year for three decades before Katrina. This was a time when the rest of the South was growing like kudzu.

Marcus

Louisiana is an incredibly rich state with so much to offer; it is good to see someone responsible working for the benefit of the state, rather than to see how much can be stolen while in office.

Perhaps the long list of crooks who have occupied the Governorship will end with Jindal. (I am not casting aspersions only referring to the convicted felons who have been elected.)

The Mississippi bridge built by Huey to a lower height is in Baton Rouge, not NOLA. If it had been NOLA, then nothing would be in "red stick" - not even LSU. But then again, I'm a New Orleanian and generally have no use for Baton Rouge.

Regarding Jindal and abortion, IIRC, he isn't against a morning after pill. So that ought to cover rapes and cases of incest. Also, as a VP (or even President) he'd have zero power to outlaw abortion in America. Even if a future Supreme Court reversed Roe v. Wade (and the subsequent Court decision that expanded the meaning of the word "health" in Roe v. Wade to allow abortions for essentially any reason), that still wouldn't make abortion illegal in this country; its legality would be decided on a state-by-state basis. So abortions would remain legal and frequent in all the blue states at least, despite the regular fear-mongering liberal organizations use to scare up political donations.

Naomi Klein's a retard. There's your contrast.

Appropriately titled post since you don't let the facts stand in the way of that analysis.

Easy example? The elimination of the tax on business equipment purchases and debt had been a campaign issue of the previous Governor, who actually passed a bill to phase it out over time before Hurricane Katrina. When Louisiana's fiscal situation fell apart after the hurricane, these plans were scaled back. Now the budget is booming on account of $120+ oil - oil & gas is the state's main industry - and the guy in office gets the credit for being able to cut that tax a second time. I have a distinct idea of what it feels like to be a reformer in Russia right now with Putin claiming credit for all the benefits of the high oil price - everyone else who has slowly worked for reform in that state for years can now cry.

Look, it's not that I am saying that Governor Jindal is a bad guy - he's former McKinsey, so he's obviously bright, and he seems honest, which is a trait not to be underestimated. But do not hail him for these earth shattering changes when they have been on the table for years, were actually advocated and often enacted by the previous governor, and are now being put in place on account of the flexibility in the budget that we have due to high oil prices.

I read a book 25 years OK called "The Rise and Decline of Nations: Economic Growth, Stagflation, and Social Rigidities" by Mancur Olsen. I never looked at the regulatory state the same way after reading it. But he included more "informal" arrangements as well: Guilds, Cartels, Professional orgnaisations that are like plague build up on the arteries of the economy.

The biggest rap against Jindal's ethics reform is that is lacks enforcement, and ethics lacked enforcement before his election.

He is also doing favors for the former governor, Mike Foster, but that is politics.

I agree with the poster above about New Orleans. I am a native, though I now live in the suburbs.

There is a new 37 story luxury retail/apartment building apparently going up in the business district. At the same time, murders are common throughout the city. There is no real recovery possible with the murder rate of Bogota in its heyday.

Like the city before Katrina, the recovery is more facade than foundation.

I don't think having convicted felons in the governor's mansion is a good predictor of a state's future performance. Illinois is doing OK and when I left Chicago in the mid-eighties there were three Illinois ex-governors doing hard time.

I'm sure Megan secretly reads Fire Megan McArdle. They did a wonderful analysis of this post.

How can we dissect this line?

FEMA does well in states that have competent and responsive government agencies, and not so well in places that don't.

How did FEMA perform in its own backyard, the WTC? Was it because or in spite of the corruption of the Giuliani and Petaki administrations?

Perhaps a study exists examining FEMA responses to tornadoes and floods across various southern and Midwestern states?

Let's consider the primary role that FEMA plays. It exists because state and city government simply don't have the budgets or logistical grasp to handle a large-scale disaster themselves. Since state and city governments are essentially service providers, they are not in the war or disaster-relief businesses like the Federal government. Service-providing governments, in fact, are so dependent on property, income, and sales taxes, that they go into the red the moment there's an economic downturn. Hence the several NYC fiscal crises of our lifetime.

The level of corruption at the municipal or state level should have zero effect on the responsiveness of FEMA. There was no junta stealing food and medicine in New Orleans like there is in Burma stealing food and medicine in Burma today. And let's not forget that for a few days, Washington thought that FEMA was doing a heckofajob, until reality bit them in the ass.

So the non-specific, easily reversible argument is made and we can continue discussing Megan's new crush.

I'm sure Megan secretly reads Fire Megan McArdle. They did a wonderful analysis of this post.

How can we dissect this line?

FEMA does well in states that have competent and responsive government agencies, and not so well in places that don't.

How did FEMA perform in its own backyard, the WTC? Was it because or in spite of the corruption of the Giuliani and Petaki administrations?

Perhaps a study exists examining FEMA responses to tornadoes and floods across various southern and Midwestern states?

Let's consider the primary role that FEMA plays. It exists because state and city government simply don't have the budgets or logistical grasp to handle a large-scale disaster themselves. Since state and city governments are essentially service providers, they are not in the war or disaster-relief businesses like the Federal government. Service-providing governments, in fact, are so dependent on property, income, and sales taxes, that they go into the red the moment there's an economic downturn. Hence the several NYC fiscal crises of our lifetime.

The level of corruption at the municipal or state level should have zero effect on the responsiveness of FEMA. There was no junta stealing food and medicine in New Orleans like there is in Burma stealing food and medicine in Burma today. And let's not forget that for a few days, Washington thought that FEMA was doing a heckofajob, until reality bit them in the ass.

So the non-specific, easily reversible argument is made and we can continue discussing Megan's new crush.

Governor Jindal on seems to be doing a good job but it's hard to tell so early in the game. Today Louisiana's legislature will debate eliminating the income tax (over time of course) and I'm always for cutting taxes.

Many conservatives are skeptical that a) he's a real fiscal conservative and b) he can change our state gov't with a Democrat controlled legislature.

He's had a good start but only time will tell.

As for NOLA, it has one of the more corrupt municipal governments in the USA. They've made some progress on the city council but the mayors office is a mess. It has been that way for years. It will take at least 10 years to recover if they can find some leadership. Watch for Arnie Fielkow (sp?) a former Saints executive and attorney. He's a reformer and I think can bring the city together.

He's the Republican Obama!

The notion of accumulating lobbies that inhibit government action more and more over time isn’t new. Mancur Olson, Carroll Quigley, and others describe how the futures of industries and nations are compromised by the accumulation of non-productive uses. Growth slows and possibly stagnates, as investment and activity is diverted to non-productive uses. Economies are akin to old ships that absorb water in their voyages, slowing them down and possibly sinking them over time. The challenge is to figure out how to let the ship dry out while keeping it moving – which probably entails designing the ship so that it cannot absorb a prohibitive amount of water.

Regarding FEMA: The Feds did a much better job that the publicity it earned. Brown and Pres. Bush were incompetent and insensitive in their public pronouncements, but that is a different topic.

We discovered the city was filling up on a Tuesday morning. By Friday morning, the city was completely evacuated. The sheer logistics of doing is much more difficult than most of the critics will admit. Nobody should be surprised by what happened. We all knew it was possible. That is why most of us left.

The problem was one of expectations and public relations, not FEMA, an organization that was not designed to be first responders. Walmart probably did the best job in responding the fastest to the Gulf Coast. Remember the problem area was a big as England.

Government has more or less mismanaged the recover since Katrina but most of lies with the state and the city.

There is a City Journal article now by Nicole Gelinas that details who is doing the recovery quite well. It is not online yet.

A) New York's City government is among the less corrupt in teh nation; ditto its state government

B) NOLA's was pretty widely acknowledged to be among the worst

C) The issue isn't necessarily corruption, but competence. You can run a competent institution with everyone shaving 10% off the top; Tammany Hall arguably did just that. NOLA's government was both corrupt and incompetent.

"The level of corruption at the municipal or state level should have zero effect on the responsiveness of FEMA"

Couldn't agree more, but they do. Sadly, what should be and what the law actually says sometimes differ: http://frwebgate2.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=686692473439+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

"He's the Republican Obama!"

But with a record of actual accomplishments. The Ivy League/McKinsey background is a little worrisome.

"He looks like the president of the high school chess club, so it's something of a shock to my elitist coastal ears to hear a rich good-old-boy southern accent issuing from him"

One of my favorite Chinese restaurants in Dallas was run by a guy who sounded like he'd been working oil rigs in west Texas from birth. It was a little disorienting to hear a Chinese guy with a Chinese name sound like that at first, but you get used to it.

The corruption was a huge problem because just about every dollar went to some politicians brother-in-law, cousin, sister, etc... The money trail created by Congressman Bill Jefferson is unbelievable. Just about everyone in his family was in some sort of gov't job or an agency funded by the gov't.

Also, who can you turn to root out corruption or demands of bribery. The DA? Sheriff? Mayor? Congressman? City Council?

In the past everyone was on the take. Heck, the school system had as many as 15,000 past employees receiving benefits or even paychecks for which they were not entitled.

There's been some change in NOLA, a new city council, the elimination of 7 assessors, resignation of DA Eddie Jordan, help from US Attorney Jim Lenton and the FBI have all helped. There's still a long way to go.

As far as corruption: we locals used to say that Louisiana was just as corrupt as New Jersey, but without the mob and the unions to keep things running. There is a big interplay between corruption and incompetence, and LA has only corruption.

Talking about Katrina: the irony is that Jindal lost the previous gubernatorial election by only a few votes. Those voters who would never vote for a women decided at the last minute that a white woman was slightly preferable to a dark-skinned man.

If Jindal had been governor when Katrina hit (as he should have been), the entire response would have been completely different. There is more than enough blame to go around -- to FEMA, to the City, to the State, and to the Corps of Engineers. But the worst performance was from deer-in-the-headlights-Governor Blanco, a wonderfully-nice former school teacher but with no clue at running the state even on a good day. Add her feud with Mayor Nagin into the mix, and Nagin's problems in his own backyard, and you have a recipe for disaster, with or without FEMA.

Bobby Jindal was my governor choice and my congressman, even though a few of his policies are too radically conservative for me. But we'll see what he can accomplish with the sclerotic state administartion. I wish him luck, but the jury is nowhere near ready to come in.

John @ 9:40 AM: don't want to snark, but I'm an old Illinois hand, and in the 1980s Dan Walker was possibly still in jail (depends on the year you left, since he served only 18 months of a 7-year term) and I'm pretty sure Otto Kerner was already out since he died in the middle 70s. I am unaware of any convicted governors except them, and now George Ryan, between Adlai Stevenson and Blagojevich today (he may go, too). Look, I'm as proud of our Illinois tradition of convicted public officials as anyone, but lets not make it worse than it is. And Walker was convicted foe a crime committed well after he left public office.

And dhalgren (whoosh, that brings memories of the worst SF novel I ever read to the end -- I hope that's not where you got the name, although your comment reminds me of the book -- round and round without much of a point), you might want to compare the Katrina response with that of very large, destructive hurricanes in Florida in the decade previous. Of course, you offer not a whit of actual data, do you? I suppose for True Believers the Belief alone is proof enough.

I agree with the above comments that he is the Republican Obama, with slightly more actual experience (executive and legislative).

What the Republicans should do is Obamacize him: Give him the Keynote Address at the convention, start building him up for a national audience.

Not only for the obvious nod to being "open to minorities". More importantly, he can show off his eloquence and real conservatism, while the Republicans can show that conservatism can be the best answer to problems like New Orleans'. They show they are sensitive to the plight of those living among poverty, crime, and devastation, and show how the answers can come from first principles of market economies, fiscal responsibility, and conservative values.

Perhaps not on the topic you intended, but your excuses for FEMA indicate you don't know enough about disaster recovery. FEMA, prior to the Bush administration, proved very valuable, efficient and effective during numerous national disasters, regardless of state or local governments. The reason it lacked competence during Katrina is because a lot of the competent people left for the private disaster recovery industry so that Bush could appoint unqualified cronies, who were loyal but incompetent. And I don't just refer to Brownie. The response to Katrina as a result was nothing short of immoral.

Perhaps not on the topic you intended, but your excuses for FEMA indicate you don't know enough about disaster recovery. FEMA, prior to the Bush administration, proved very valuable, efficient and effective during numerous national disasters, regardless of state or local governments. The reason it lacked competence during Katrina is because a lot of the competent people left for the private disaster recovery industry so that Bush could appoint unqualified cronies, who were loyal but incompetent. And I don't just refer to Brownie. The response to Katrina as a result was nothing short of immoral.

Re: The city was bleeding, on average, 10K a year for three decades before Katrina. This was a time when the rest of the South was growing like kudzu.


Was this true just of the city proper, or of the entire metro region? There are many cities which lose population owing to white flight (or better: middle clas flight), but they still have a vibrant and growing metro area.

Congress invented FEMA to build and manage their nuclear hidy-holes. Originally, it wasn't tasked to do anything except in a nuclear war. It never has had any assets which would be useful during a catastrophic event. Afterwards, yes, but not during. The people trained to deal with such events as they are occurring are all in the military: the National Guard, which is under control of the Governor, and the Regular Army, which reports to the President. If he obeys the law, however, the President can't deploy the Army within our borders without the request of a Governor. Nevertheless, the Guard has a lot of neat and useful equipment: trucks which run just fine mostly under water, helicopters, heavy lifting aircraft, construction equipment, and plenty of rifles in case the law isn't exactly operating normally. Most politicians today have never served and are probably completely ignorant of what resources they control or how to use them. Mr. Bush could have done a lot better, but I lay the main failure at the feet of the Governor and the Mayor, and those who elected them. Perhaps you should elect someone who has served in the armed forces, rather than those whose main talent is skimming contracts.

I noticed the body language of Jindal, when McCain began his focus of blame on the federal govt response to Katrina. He didn't want to look at the camera.

I give the guy credit. Public polling then and since has given a plurality of blame to the state govt. Apparently McCain didn't get the memo as he may prove to be the last reader of the NYT.

There is no way he wants to be the veep to McCain, unless he wants to look away over a lot more that john will say.

I realize that some would argue that Bush and FEMA are too blame, more than all others...

please explain why Blanco didn't even run, and why she was replaced by the conservative Jindal. Bonus points if you can explain Nagin's chummy role with Bush and subsequent reelection.

Here is a highly detailed analysis of Bobby Jindal from Oct. 2007. It discusses the long-term megatrends in his favor.

The thing is, even in 2016, he will be just 44. Why waste him in a year when just about any Republican will get killed? He is a viable candidate at any time between 2016 and 2036.

Furthermore, Jindal is the key in getting the GOP, and indeed all of America, to break the belief that dark skin = poverty.

Indians are the richest ethnic group in the US, richer than WASPS, Jews, or anyone else. Thus, the richest group in America is indeed a dark-skinned group.

"It was a little disorienting to hear a Chinese guy with a Chinese name sound like that at first, but you get used to it."

LOL. I know some Chinese immigrant families in Australia, who have teenage kids who sound like Crocodile Dundee. Funny.

Having grown up in Baton Rouge, I can say that all you need to change in this article is "the total ineptitude of the state and local governments was the major reason that things went so tragically wrong during Katrina". The state that gave us James Carville, Edwin Edwards and Huey Long and where a successful political campaign for a minor parish position can cost millions (after all the bribes and vote-buying is tallied) needs any and all help it can get. Kudos to Bobby Jindal for sticking around.

hdgreene,

Rauch's Government's End is largely based on Mancur Olson's The Rise and Decline of Nations: Economic Growth, Stagflation, and Social Rigidities.

Jindal is quite possibly the smartest person ever elected to any office in Louisiana. Holds a Masters in Poli Sci from Oxford. A Rhodes Scholar. Yet it didn't seem odd when he campaigned in Desoto parish on how Intelligent Design would be a bright alternative to established science in the classrooms of Louisiana. Whatever it takes, right?

Jindal is quite possibly the smartest person ever elected to any office in Louisiana. Holds a Masters in Poli Sci from Oxford. A Rhodes Scholar. Yet it didn't seem odd to anyone when he campaigned in Desoto parish on how Intelligent Design would be a bright alternative to established science in the classrooms of Louisiana. Whatever it takes to get elected right, right? How refreshing.

Stacy F.

Huey Long was pretty smart. So was the guy Paul Newman portrayed (was that Russell Long?).

Jindal may be the most academically qualified governor in LA history, but brains are distributed much more widely in the population of politicians than are advanced degrees.

So Jindal is playing to the masses on ID-- probably its impossible for a Republican (or a Democrat?) to get elected down there without so doing.

It doesn't make me like him, but Bill Clinton sent a guy to the electric chair to win in 1992.

I think a more profound problem for Jindal is that his party is nativist and anti-immigrant at quite a deep level.

You could call it racism but racism in America is more about blacks and Hispanics than it is about Indians or East Asians, I think. It's about the tensions at the street level between those communities and often almost-as-poor-or-middle-class white communities.

I am waiting for a Hispanic Republican candidate for President. Then I will know the Republican party has changed.

(to be fair to GWB: not 1 but 2 successive black Secretaries of State. When historians sit down to write about Bush, they will note that as being a seminal achievement and yet one which, significantly, passed little note at the time.

If we could but resurrect Martin Luther King, and show him that 40 years later, the US had 2 successive black Secs of State, and a half-black Democratic presumptive nominee, I think he might weep for joy)

In the case of the Democrats this has arguably already happened, in the sense that Bill Richardson was the best qualified (as opposed to the best, or the most electable) candidate for the presidential nomination: think 'I have negotiated with the North Koreans' vs 'sniper fire in Bosnia' or 'I seek a new way forward'. And an in depth knowledge of energy policy and global warming. And actual executive experience in the Federal government and in running a state government.

I am a BIG Bobby Jindal fan, and I'll LOVE for him to have a veep spot, but will BILLARY Clinton's "hard working Whites" vote for him because of his skin color?

Don't be so quick to fall in love.
At the same time that Jindal was trying to pass this anti-corruption legislation his chief of staff was passing out tickets to a Hanna Montana concert to legislators in violation of the very law he was trying to pass. He has pushed through ethics reform requiring legislators to release an amazing amount of information about their finances, but is pushing through a public records act that will exempt the governor's office from public records requests. If a news organization publishes a less than flattering story about Jindal they are removed from the state press release list. Jindal commissioned a report on the state National Guard and not liking the report suppressed it and lied about its existence (so much for open records). He has also had the head of the state highway commissioner fired to help fulfill a campaign promise to repeal the motorcycle helmet law (so much for good government, promoting public health and reducing the cost for health care).
This guy might be good for the state on the whole, but in first five months the record is starting to look fairly checkered. We'll see if any of this dung sticks.