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Thinkers in the tank

14 May 2008 03:24 pm

Andrew Coulson graciously responds to the slings and arrows I hurled at think tanks. I understand that EPI wishes to respond as well, so things should get lively around here.

I love Cato. I love school choice. I read their stuff all the time, and I think a lot of it is great. I cite it and use it.

But any movement is prone to groupthink. Yea, whenever two or more libertarians are gathered together, you have at least three opinions. But those opinions almost never extend to "You know what America needs? A single-payer national healthcare system." Likewise, I'm pretty sure the break room at EPI never hears the words "Right-to-work laws are awesome!" Groups extend to their own less scrutiny than they extend to those who disagree with them. They form their own domains of knowledge that tend to exclude sources of disconfirming data. Agreement on core principles like "Society should maximize individual liberty" means a lot of questions never get asked.

I don't think that think tanks fudge their numbers. I know Cato pretty well, so I know it's full of earnest, extremely smart people who genuinely believe what they write, and are scrupulous about doing high-caliber work. Most of them are smarter than me, and all of them are probably more likeable in person. But in any sort of policy debate, there's always the danger of asking yourself the question you want to answer.

Say you want to know whether Bush's tax cuts made the tax code more or less progressive. You can ask whether the gradient between brackets has gotten steeper, or you can ask whether the rich now pay a higher or lower percentage of the nation's tax bill than they did before. Those will give you different answers to the original question.

Hence the dueling factoids over whether Bush's tax cuts disproportionately benefitted the rich. The left likes to look at the average amount individuals got, which leads to the conclusion that the rich got a lot more. The right likes to look at who got a bigger share of the tax cuts, which leads to the conclusion that the poor and the middle class were the big winners. Neither of those ways to frame the question is obviously wrong.

It is easier to do this when everyone who works with you, and most of the people you socialize with, agree with you. They also influence who you consider reliable sources--the extreme version of this is Chomskyites, who reject any source that disputes The Great Man's lies more fanciful interpretations of events. But everyone does it. Liberals like are fond of Card and Krueger. Conservatives like love Neumark, Wascher, and Murphy. The group acceptance of what are the "best" sources seriously influences work based on them.

I'm not saying academics are immune to this--indeed, the CK/NW divide is a good example of the tendency. But academics tend to ask narrower questions--not "Is the minimum wage a good idea" or "who benefits, rich or poor?" Instead they ask things like "what are the effects of the minimum wage on employment?" Now, often those figures get used as if they answered one of the other questions, either because the media needs a good lede, or because the professor has an axe to grind. But there's somewhat less room for choosing your data sources--and at least in economics, it will matter if your colleagues across the political aisle reject your approach. Cato loses little credibility with libertarians if CBPP publishes a withering critique of its work (I mean, it would if any such critique were possible.)

I certainly agree that academics and government employees are not some sort of objective priests who cannot be swayed by thought of politics. I wasn't, for example, very impressed when Kenneth Thorpe estimated that Kerry's healthcare plan would cost $900 million--then a few months later dialed down his estimate to very nearly exactly what Kerry was planning to raise from rolling back the Bush tax cuts. In that situation, I thought that AEI's estimate was probably much closer to the actual mark, and said so. Though to be fair, in part that's because I assume that every government health care plan is going to cost twice the most pessimistic estimate.

In an ideal world, we'd all assess the claims and check the numbers for ourselves.

But readers can't or won't do that. Without reading the studies, I need to rely on reputational credibility to assure them that the data are sound. Think tank numbers are totally useless in a cross-ideological debate. No one on the other side will accept them. And because the think tanks have usually chosen different questions that produce different answers, we bloggers end up in an extremely tiresome round of "dueling think tank studies". Unfortunately, everyone on the other side has a +3 anti-free-market shield on, and I never get through.

I imagine I will not be invited to Cato's annual dinner, and probably EPI has stricken me from the Christmas card list. But I didn't mean to malign Cato, or for that matter EPI, though we're a lot less ideologically compatible. Both are full of honest people who believe what they are writing. But when an institution gathers scholars together specifically to advance an agenda--even an agenda as broad as "Free markets and free minds"--that changes how you use their work, if for no other reason than that it makes a broad swathe of your audience mighty suspicious.

I do think Mr. Coulson is absolutely right about one thing: right wing, and particularly libertarian, think tanks get harsher scrutiny from the media than left wing, academic, or government figures--I once scratched a reference to the Manhattan Institute because the editor wanted me to label it "ultralibertarian" while pasting "nonpartisan" on some left wing group whose name escapes me. I ditched the paragraph rather than make the switch, which may be why they never commissioned work from me again.

The problem is, I don't think that the media are, in general, very good watchdogs about this sort of thing. Most reporters can't read a financial statement, don't know how to handle statistics, and would run screaming if you suggested a regression. That's why I think the most interesting work is the stuff that covers debates within the movement--things like net neutrality, or "libertarian paternalism", for example, or the internal debates on both sides about health care policy.

Anyway, Cato . . . what I'm trying to say is, I adore you. And EPI, I don't know any of you, but I'm sure you're all pretty swell folks too. Even if you don't invite me to your annual dinners, y'all are welcome at my place any time.

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Wow, Megan. That's downright Foucauldian! Knowledge created by power and power created by knowledge, think tanks form exclusionary discourses!

I never knew you were so Postmodernist!

I'm a cultural relativist too. Do I contradict myself? I contain multitudes.

And when you say they're welcome at your place any time, I can only assume the event is a rousing game of Idealogical Dungeons & Dragons.

(Sorry, the +3 anti-free market shield got my mind seriously sidetracked. It would be a damn fun game though, I think.)

Well, there's a difference between partisan, and partisan and dishonest, like Cato and Heritage. This is nothing more than using a false equivalence in an attempt to neutralize reputable sources who show that the facts are against a certain ideological position.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

In fact, what seems to be happening is that people now more or less know that Cato, Heritage, AEI, et al are nasty and disingenuous. Sorry. But dems da facts.

A little too relativist, maybe?
Afterall, we can make these same basic critiques about academics or any number of 'official' government sources. So very much of what is produced as evidence in the social sciences/ political/ policy realms relies on making assumptions (this is why we get to argue about it- friction being a physical fact takes the wind out of that debate).
To a degree, the assumptions beneath a study are a product of the idea-bias of the authors (and the institution underwriting it- thus part of the credibility of academia and the government flows from their generally less biased station as well as the review processes to weed out junk). And that's fair.
But that doesn't mean all assumptions are legit. To the extent that think tanks are injudicious in their use of assumptions, their credibility is jeopardized. And if you want to cite a study, you ought to be prepared to defend the assumptions/ methods before you consider citing the results.
Not all assumptions are equal. A debate between realistic assumptions and implausible assumptions... well, it's a disservice to refer to that as a debate.

Am I supposed to, with a straight face, accept Coulson's contention that a 'report' from a think tank like CEI on ozone depletion should be assumed to be as credible (or rather as biased) as a study published in a refereed science journal or carried out by NASA?

Right. I'm no bleeding heart socialist (not by a long shot), but think tanks like CEI, AEI, Heartland, et al. gave up any sympathy I might have had for them in their efforts to spread FUD about smoking, climate change, etc.

This isn't a matter of asking different questions to support an economic position. It's a question of generating propaganda to delay regulation, and the documentation is a matter of public record.

The invisible hand of the market was never meant to succeed against think tank-generated consumer confusion.

Well, there's a difference between partisan, and partisan and dishonest, like Cato and Heritage. This is nothing more than using a false equivalence in an attempt to neutralize reputable sources who show that the facts are against a certain ideological position.....In fact, what seems to be happening is that people now more or less know that Cato, Heritage, AEI, et al are nasty and disingenuous. Sorry. But dems da facts.

"Facts" are those things that show up with a train of verifiable citations, right? I mean, you wouldn't want to leave yourself open to a charge of being partisan and dishonest.

Chuckle. What a lightweight. In fact, people have said this about Cato, Heritage, et al, right in this thread. Sheesh.

Now, do you actually have anything to contribute, or were you just doing your usual stalking?

megan

i'm curious what makes you say write this:

Liberals like Card and Krueger. Conservatives like Neumark, Wascher, and Murphy.

did you just assume that anyone who would report estimates that challenge the perf comp model of the labor market must be a liberal, and anyone who criticized them must be a conservative?

jonah

Jonah, I think that's what's being pushed here, the notion that reality is fungible, that the 'facts' are dependent on who reports them, and that one is entitled to one's own set of facts.

Of course, this is just another way to convert the issue into a duel in which the outcome is generally determined by whoever has the most money and access.

I am unequivocally against this world-view, needless to say.

Now, do you actually have anything to contribute, or were you just doing your usual stalking?

You should be flattered to have earned a stalker; but in fact, I mostly follow you because drop a copious quantity of cheese. Strangest thing.

At any rate, did you just respond to a request for citations by dismissing the request as "lightweight" talk and then claiming random blog comment opinions as the basis of your facts? You're really slipping!

Iow, you don't have anything to contribute, you are stalking me(I notice that other people have made similar complaints - what are you - sixteen years old or something), and you are unable to comprehend that people in this thread have said that they really, really don't trust Cato & friends.

You, my little troll, are what we used to call on usenet an energy creature.

think that's what's being pushed here, the notion that reality is fungible, that the 'facts' are dependent on who reports them, and that one is entitled to one's own set of facts.

It would surprise me very much if anyone were pushing this notion. Rather, the notion being pushed is that the questions one asks matter a very great deal, even if one is scrupulously honest in dealing with the data. For this reason, it is no answer to say that studies done by think tanks were done honestly, if they were (unwittingly) asking the wrong question.

Surely you are aware that the framing of the null hypothesis can strongly influence both experimental design and the interpretation of the data; when one's framing is so strongly influenced by one's peers and predilections that one cannot even see the frame, then one's conclusions are skewed without any need for evil intent.

For instance, you insist on applying a one-sided null hypothesis to conservatives, asking only whether they are more evil than non-conservatives or not; as you know, a necessary result is that you are obliged to dismiss even strong evidence of lower evilness as the product of chance. It is impossible for you to discover that conservatives are less evil; you can only fail to reject the null hypothesis (which in this case is lower-or equal evilness).

If you were to use a two-sided test, your criterion for significance would be more stringent, and it would therefore be harder for you to find conservatives to be more evil than others. On the upside your bias would be reduced, or at any rate rendered less obvious.

I should add that my null-hypothesis example is intended lightheartedly, so there will be no need for feces flinging.

Jonah, I think that if you looked at the economists Dan Klein surveyed on the minimum wage, you'd find all the Republicans on one side, and that the other side was the farther left half of the distribution. This does not mean that the Republicans believe in perfect competition, since none of the ones that I have ever talked to do.

It would surprise me very much if anyone were pushing this notion. Rather, the notion being pushed is that the questions one asks matter a very great deal, even if one is scrupulously honest in dealing with the data. For this reason, it is no answer to say that studies done by think tanks were done honestly, if they were (unwittingly) asking the wrong question.

No, the notion being pushed is that if different organizations come up with different answers, it 'just' because they are asking different questions. That is emphatically not true.

I posted recently some of the the things Cato has done which makes me distrust anything put out by the:

Claimed that an anemic economy under Bush I was in no way a reflection on Reaganomics, but then also claimed that the good times under Clinton were the direct result of Reaganomics.

Claimed for a campaign commercial that Clinton 'raised taxes almost twenty percent on average', leaving one with the impression that the average tax _rate_ went up almost 20%, when in reality tax _revenues_ went up almost 20% . . . and then claimed that they just said 'taxes' and if anyone misconstrued that as tax rates rather than tax revenue, well, it was hardly their fault.

Claimed that people on welfare were making more money than their working-class counterparts by using an atypical family's benefits and then counting every possible benefit even when they were mutually exclusive, while not counting any comparable benefits for the working-class family:

"Particularly egregious," said the center's report, "is Cato's practice of counting Medicaid as income for welfare families while counting neither Medicaid nor employer-provided insurance as income for poor working families. Census data show that 62 percent of children in working poor families that do not receive government cash assistance are covered either by private health insurance or Medicaid."

Iow, they didn't even count the same things for income in the same way. That's 'just a matter of asking different questions'?

Like Bob says, I don't think so.

No, they have definitely earned their reputation for dishonesty, and to try to imply that every partisan think tank is on the same footing in terms of reliability or trustworthiness is disingenuous in the extreme.

megan

i'm sure you're right about this general statement of association:

I think that if you looked at the economists Dan Klein surveyed on the minimum wage, you'd find all the Republicans on one side, and that the other side was the farther left half of the distribution.

i was just curious how you know the political views of the five people you mentioned, i.e., Card, Krueger, Neumark, Wascher, and Murphy.

i know one of these people reasonably well and have met three of the other four; one of those three is a very good friend of a friend of mine.

i'm quite confident i know the political views of four of the five you mention, and i'm also quite confident that you have gotten the political views of one of those four backward (unless he has recently flipped, which is always possible). it's not my place to say whom that is, but i am curious how you decided on the political affiliations, other than using conditional probabilities. published statements and personal communication would seem the most logical, of course.....

Jonah, the "like" is functioning as a verb there, not as a substitute for "such as."

That is, the meaning of the quoted sentence is "Liberals are positively disposed towards Card and Kruger," not "Card and Kruger are examples of liberals."

SoV, if your examples are factually accurate, then that is indeed thoroughly dishonest behavior.

rob

good point -- now that i reread, i see your point. megan, sorry for my misreading there

j

No, now that I reread it's perfectly understandable. Sorry for the inclarity. Yeah, I have no idea what their views are (well, one of them I do). I just meant that people find research more convincing that agrees with their priors.

Here's why I think you're an idiot:

"Hence the dueling factoids over whether Bush's tax cuts disproportionately benefitted the rich. The left likes to look at the average amount individuals got, which leads to the conclusion that the rich got a lot more. The right likes to look at who got a bigger share of the tax cuts, which leads to the conclusion that the poor and the middle class were the big winners. Neither of those ways to frame the question is obviously wrong."

This is why the right is wrong. It's simple. Try very very hard to think it through.

Tax cuts are given to individuals. Not to sectors of the community. Bush doesn't go "Here you are, middle class people, share sixty billion bucks". He goes "Here you are, person who earns 20K a year, have a dollar". Do you see? What's disproportionate is that the rich guys each get a truckload of money, and the poor don't.

Yes, I know, the poor as a group get more. But there are many more of them. I know you tend to think of them as one homogenous, horrible mass, but it remains true that they are a composite of many, many individuals. All of whom have been fucked by the Bush administration.

Ah okay. That's not the only reason I think you're an idiot. There are dozens of others. And I've only read maybe a dozen of your posts.

The poor and middle class also got a larger cut as a percentage of the taxes they paid. There are multiple ways to look at it; none is "right".

Well, no, Megan; obviously the "right" way to look at it is however blog commenter "Dr Zen" thinks is the right way. Sheesh.

In an ideal world, we'd all assess the claims and check the numbers for ourselves. But readers can't or won't do that.

I think we've proven that statement to be false. We beg you to provide a source for your emotional claims and get a book title or government department title in response. As a journalist (by your own admittance), it is your job to link to the sources and explain them to the consumers of your column. If you bring up a subject and imply "it's complicated and you woudn't understand it anyway," why should we read what you write? In a free market we can pick and choose.

You have stated that EPI's numbers are biased and can't be relied upon. I don't think they will care if you want to hang out with them or not. I would also be a little more careful regarding libel. Lawyers are expensive. In case you've forgotten, you said:

They have limited ability to change their policy position, because the donors will revolt; if they can't get an answer the donors will like, they don't ask the questions. They also only hire scholars who agree with them. That already biases their work, but then you have to contend with the groupthink problem: when everyone at the office agrees with you that your opponents are idiots, and you socialize mostly with other people in the movement, your thinking gets a tad lazy.

Lazy (you do sling that word around a lot), biased, group-think, inaccurate results. That's a lot of criticism. I hope you can support it.

Aa libertarian, "Jane Gault," you have an agenda also. We cannot assess your accuracy without citations and explanations, and despite your condescending and false comment, we will go to the sources that provide it. And your readership will decline to a few fellow Randians who think the poor are scum and that spending a lot of money on one's education makes one educated.

Megan, how anyone can not clearly see that the recent tax code changes under the Bush administration benefit primarily the wealthy, is beyond me. A guy goes to work every day and pays approximately 50% of his income to the government, when social security, Medicare, state and local tax, and sales taxes are factored in. Another guy sells stock and pays tax at 15% federal rate on his capital gains, plus about 6% state and local tax, but pays no Social Security, Medicare, or sales taxes on the same income. HOW could such a tax scheme not primarily benefit the wealthy?

The tax code is so skewed in favor of capital and at the expense of labor, that the CATO Institute spends enormous sums of money, time, and intellect in the attempt to hide this simple fact.

Oh, I suspect Cato will still invite you to dinner. They have -- I have it on the best of authority -- just purchased a tin of candied parsnips.

The poor and middle class also got a larger cut as a percentage of the taxes they paid. There are multiple ways to look at it; none is "right".

It may be the case that none is 'right.' But it does not follow that none of the ways of examining an issue are 'wrong.' Of course, you don't make that second leg of the argument. Which is a clever trick- to posture the argument as if it were a debate among equally valuable ideas, thus validating garbage.

Also, doesn't the premise- that people are more receptive to 'evidence' which confirms already held beliefs- present a damnable problem for recurring to the marketplace of ideas as a salvation?

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