I'm not sure what I think about
this. I will note that I have gotten non-abortion care at Planned Parenthood, and been disgusted by the fact that they need metal detectors and bag searches. Whatever your opinion on abortion--and mine is rather deeply conflicted--women getting medical care should not have to choose between invasive searches, and fearing for their lives. Nor did I care for the rosary-praying woman who told me I would regret "it" for the rest of my life, as if there were no reason to go to a women's health care center unless you were getting your womb vacuumed out. On the other hand, I was also struck by how pitifully, pitifully young were the girls there for pregnancy tests. Overall, everything about the visits made me think "there has to be a better way".
You can thank your right-wing brethern for the fact there are metal detectors at Planned Parenthood. Without them, it wouldn't be necessary.
JKC,
Who do I get to blame for metal detectors at other places like schools, airports and hospitals?
Skully retorts: "Who do I get to blame for metal detectors at other places like schools, airports and hospitals?"
That's dense even by your standards, Skully. The ONLY reason for high security at the clinics is because of wingnut violence and threats. Period.
Not all PPs are created eqaul.A girlfriend of mine was being intimidated into taking gardisol. She was given the wrong information about the efficiency of STD testing (always ask to get blood work done for these exams) and was told that she asks too many questions.
If metal detectors are neccessary for the safety, then so be it. Worrying about metal detectors is a distraction from the changes that need to be made with clinic culture. I'm more concerened with the endless paperwork, the endless waiting and the cattle-like shuffling of patients.
I used to deliver pizzas. Going to Planned Parenthood was like going to the airport. The reason is the same: terrorism.
What I find interesting is how often when Hollywood has the opportunity to present abortion on the big screen, or on TV, and they punt.....two cases in point: 1) "Grey's Anatomy," when Dr Yang finds herself pregnant....she has a miscarriage; 2) In "Knocked Up" abortion is not even up for discussion.
Isn't one of the points of the whole "pro-choice" argument that there are alternatives to "choose" between?
Perhaps easier access to birth control for those terribly young girls would help move us towards a better way?
Perhaps easier access to birth control for those terribly young girls would help move us towards a better way?
How hard is it to get birth control? Every drugstore has at least a couple of options, and they give it away for free at PP. I'd be really surprised if any of those girls really couldn't get birth control.
"You can thank your right-wing brethern for the fact there are metal detectors at Planned Parenthood."
And thank you, J.K.c., for your valuable contribution to this discussion. Your dedication to grinding that ideological axe of yours is most admirable.
brandon writes: "And thank you, J.K.c., for your valuable contribution to this discussion. Your dedication to grinding that ideological axe of yours is most admirable."
I love these hall monitor types who post non-contributions to discussions in order to complain about posts that actually have a relationship to the topic.
So what do you have to say about the actual topic, brandon? Anything? No? So what's actually going on with your post here? Could it be... yes!
"Impartial observer/McCain supporter/Megan fan
Posted by brandon | April 22, 2008 10:11 PM "
Isn't getting accidentally pregnant in today's world legal proof that you are not of sound mind and should be under care?
Megan the Obama supporter can thank her right-wing brethren for metal detectors at Planned Parenthood?
Really?
All those libertarians out there shooting and threatening abortionists. Legions of 'em. Yeah, right.
JoeK's Conscience, did you have a great big bowl of dumb flakes for breakfast, or something?
Jason Van Steenwyk - speaking of stupid, this is from your blog -
"The Taliban attempted to overrun a newly established U.S. outpost in the Kunar Province of Afghanistan, launching a complex attack at approximately 4:30 in the morning. As of right now, the coalition confirms that nine U.S. soldiers have been killed in the attack, with 15 more US troops and 4 Afghan troops wounded."
That's not an "attempt" at overrunning an outpost. It's a "success." And "success" is not a word that applies to the US effort in Afghanistan, where the Taliban is getting stronger by the day and your precious president has screwed another pooch.
doctorpat,
Lets do a little Fermi model.
1. Assume a couple using one form of birth control.
2. Assume BC has 1% failure rate.
3. Assume coupling once a week.
Mean time to failure is just under two years.
4. Assume one coupling in 10 occurs while couple is fertile.
Mean time to accidental pregnancy is about 20 years.
Seems like reasonable doubt to me.
Rerunning with two forms of BC with independent 1% failure rates gives us mean time to failure of 200 years (or about 1 in 10,000 couplings) for the belt-and-suspenders crowd.
I always understood the failure rate of order 1% to be per year for women engaged in regular coitus, not per ejaculation.
Otherwise your numbers need a little revision:
1. Once a week is a little pessimistic, no?
2. One in 10 in the fertile window? Women are fertile for typically about 5 days. Not many women have 50-day cycles.
3. If your chosen method is not a hormonal one, those pesky female hormones will tend to make you want to buck like funnies during your fertile period.
sam,
your understanding is correct; the commonly cited statistic in the effectiveness of birth control is expected number of pregnancies per year per 100 women. Wikipedia says the rate for condoms given perfect use is 2%, giving us even odds over 25 years -- not bad for a back-of-the-envelope calculation. Chalk another one up for Stein's paradox, I guess.
For a few more cases, the typical use rate for condoms is 15%, for 3 years. Perfect use of The Pill is much better (.3%=>160 years), but typical use not so great (8%=>6 years).
Shorter MoeLarryandJesus: "I can't rebut your argument. Quick! Look over there! Something shiny!"
Jason Van Steenwyk replies: "Shorter MoeLarryandJesus: "I can't rebut your argument. Quick! Look over there! Something shiny!""
Your little post didn't rise to the level of an argument, chuckles, so there wasn't much to rebut. But you're wrong about Megan - she's no libertarian. She voted for Dumbya in 2004, so unless she's changed drastically since then I'd say "authoritarian statist" is closer to the mark.
"Your little post didn't rise to the level of an argument, chuckles."
Why would I bother? You're not worth the effort, kiddo.
Go take another irony supplement and call me in the morning.
Jason Von Bisquick quotes and replies: ""Your little post didn't rise to the level of an argument, chuckles."
Why would I bother? You're not worth the effort, kiddo."
The reference was to your first post, chuckles, which had nothing to do with me. You're making even less sense than usual. Are you the illegitimate son of Victor Davis Hanson?
As I said, sport...I've seen your posts, and you're not worth the effort. Bye.